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Taxpayers foot bill for employees being sued by ‘Joe the Plumber’
Dayton Daily Nerws ^ | Noveember 15, 2009 | William Hershey

Posted on 11/14/2009 11:32:36 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen

COLUMBUS — Ohio taxpayers are right in the middle of the civil rights lawsuit that Samuel Joseph — “Joe the Plumber” — Wurzelbacher has filed against three former state employees, charging that they illegally accessed his confidential information through state databases.

Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray’s office is defending former state employees Helen Jones-Kelley, Douglas Thompson and Fred Williams. All have denied wrongdoing and asked that the case, filed last March in U.S. District Court in Columbus, be dismissed.

Jones-Kelley was director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, Williams was the department’s assistant director and Thompson the deputy director of child support when the “Joe the Plumber” controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Jones-Kelley and Thompson are from the Dayton area.

Jones-Kelley and Williams resigned and Thompson had his job “revoked” in the wake of a report from Inspector General Tom Charles that found confidential state databases with personal information on Wurzelbacher were improperly accessed.

Cordray, a Democrat, said last week that he is following state law that “says in effect if you’re a state employee and you’re sued for work done in the course ... of your employment, you’re entitled to a defense by the state attorney general’s office.”

The two Republicans seeking their party’s nomination to run against Cordray next year disagreed.

“These people violated the privacy of an Ohio citizen and they did it, it would appear, to advance a partisan political campaign, and I think taxpayers will be shocked to find that their tax dollars are going to defend them,” said Mike DeWine of Cedarville, the former U.S. senator and Greene County prosecutor.

Added Delaware County Prosecutor David Yost: “It’s an outrageous use of taxpayer money to defend the invasion of a citizen’s privacy.”

Cordray said his decision was made to “minimize the taxpayer exposure.” If the attorney general denies representation, he said, an employee can go to the court of claims after the lawsuit is terminated and seek to recover expenses, including court costs, attorney’s fees, investigative costs and expert witness fees. Private attorneys charging hourly rates would be expensive, said Cordray. To avoid this, the decision typically is made to provide representation, Cordray said.

He acknowledged that there are exceptions to the requirement that the attorney general represent state employees. For those to come into play, a determination must be made that the employee was acting “manifestly outside the scope of his official employment or official responsibilities, with malicious purpose, in bad faith or in a wanton or reckless manner.”

Another section of the law bars Cordray from discussing the information used to determine whether to represent the employees, he said. To meet the law’s legal requirements, Cordray would have had to have been sent a written report from the employers of each state worker outlining whether they met the requirements for representation.

“We have followed the process provided ... and had a judgment to make and that’s the judgment we made,” said Cordray.

The inspector general’s investigation provided “some of the facts that were before us,” said Cordray.

“There are other facts before us, and we had to make a judgment on the facts ... that’s what I can’t really talk about,” he said.

As a result of the inspector general’s probe, Strickland suspended Jones-Kelley for a month without pay. Thompson was suspended for four weeks without pay and Williams was suspended for two weeks without pay, both by acting ODJFS Director Jan Allen.

Charles Hallinan, a professor at the University of Dayton law school, said he would want to see the privileged information the attorney general received from the employers before commenting on whether he thinks Cordray should provide representation.

“If I took the inspector general’s report at face value, including the conclusion, if I reached the same conclusion as the inspector general, then I would be inclined to say ‘deny representation,’ ” Hallinan said. “At a minimum, I think the inspector general concluded that they were acting at least in a reckless manner.”

However, Hallinan said, the final decision is Cordray’s: “The attorney general is supposed to make his own investigation. He is not bound by what the inspector general said.”

Wurzelbacher, from the Toledo area, became a household name around the world after he met Barack Obama in October 2008 while Obama was campaigning for president and questioned Obama’s tax policies. Wurzelbacher, who was not a licensed plumber but worked in the plumbing business, ended up endorsing Republican John McCain for president.

In his lawsuit, Wurzelbacher charged that Jones-Kelley and the others searched confidential databases to retaliate against him for criticizing Obama. Such actions, he said, “are sufficient to chill or silence a person of ordinary firmness from future First Amendment activities.”

Cordray said his office is “fully enforcing” legislation passed after the “Joe the Plumber” case aimed at cracking down on government snooping with civil and criminal penalties.

Contact this reporter at (614) 224-1608 or whershey@DaytonDailyNews.com.

What’s required
Except under certain circumstances, the attorney general “shall represent and defend the officer or employee in any civil action instituted against the officer or employee.”


Exceptions
If the attorney general determines that the office holder or employee “was acting manifestly outside the scope of his employment or official responsibilities, with malicious purpose, in bad faith, or in a wanton or reckless manner, the attorney general shall not represent and defend the officer or employee.”

Employer’s duty to provide information
“The employer of the defendant officer or employee shall provide the attorney general with a written report indicating the present or former position, job title, classification of the officer or employee with the state and, citing pertinent facts, whether in its opinion the officer or employee meets the requirement” for representation.


Confidentiality
“Information obtained by the attorney general pursuant to his investigation to determine whether to defend an officer or employee is privileged and is not admissible as evidence against the officer or employee in any legal action or proceeding and no reference to the information may be made in any trial or hearing.”


Recourse if representation denied
If the court of claims finds that an employee or officer was entitled to representation, “the court shall enter judgment against the employer in favor of the officer or employee in the amount of the reasonable expenses incurred by the officer or employee in providing his own defense and in bringing the action authorized by this section.”
Source: Ohio Revised Code, 109.361-109.365



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: ohio; plumber; privacy; wurzelbacher
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1 posted on 11/14/2009 11:32:39 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen

its outrageous that taxpayers money are used to defend against criminals. They should use their own money


2 posted on 11/14/2009 11:34:50 PM PST by 4rcane
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Too bad the state is responsible for its employees. In fact the state should be prosecuting them. In fact Joe should be if not already suing the state. I know I would.


3 posted on 11/14/2009 11:40:11 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: 4rcane
I quite agree. As the article sets forth
" For those to come into play, a determination must be made that the employee was acting “manifestly outside the scope of his official employment or official responsibilities, with malicious purpose, in bad faith or in a wanton or reckless manner.”
Surely these 'civil servants' acted maliciously and ouside the scope of their official duties.
4 posted on 11/14/2009 11:40:28 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen ("All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: 4rcane
"its outrageous that taxpayers money are used to defend against criminals"

Yep, outrageous and I love it. To heck and worse with that Zero voting state.


5 posted on 11/14/2009 11:49:02 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Getem Joe.


6 posted on 11/14/2009 11:51:35 PM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

I’m sure he covering for brunner somehow...


7 posted on 11/14/2009 11:59:46 PM PST by Crim
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To: Stand Watch Listen
They were employees of a democrat administration. I have no problem believing their official duties include criminal activities against Republicans or anyone else who opposes them or their leaders.
8 posted on 11/15/2009 12:00:12 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: Stand Watch Listen

This is a perfect example of the “Exceptions” clause written into the requirements. Was there official request from their superior(s) for this info? Was there a valid complaint, evidence of wrongdoing? If not, accessing the info was NOT a part of their job, and the State should not be forced to defend their actions.


9 posted on 11/15/2009 12:00:24 AM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

What they did was not “in the course of their employment”, it was an illegal act, outside of their employment and not sanctioned by their employer.


10 posted on 11/15/2009 12:11:28 AM PST by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: papasmurf

Like HIPPA, you can’t just look up info on people. This is illegal in the medical profession, why should these Obamaites be exempt?


11 posted on 11/15/2009 12:25:41 AM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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"“It’s an outrageous use of taxpayer money to defend the invasion of a citizen’s privacy.”

But it was ok to use taxpayer money to invade.....

12 posted on 11/15/2009 12:26:22 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (I will die on my feet before I live on my knees.)
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To: 4rcane

Well put.


13 posted on 11/15/2009 12:26:50 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (I will die on my feet before I live on my knees.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

That looks like a slam dunk based on the plain language of the law.


15 posted on 11/15/2009 12:43:13 AM PST by FredZarguna ("A nation is not beaten until the hearts of its right-wing women are on the ground.")
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To: Stand Watch Listen

Boo hoo.


16 posted on 11/15/2009 1:21:15 AM PST by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

I’d say that if a govt employee gets in trouble with his employer he has been shown to be guilty beyond any doubt.
That means he acted outside of the rules for his position, and that means the AG doesn’t have to represent him.


17 posted on 11/15/2009 3:22:51 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Finish your comment. Invade whom?


18 posted on 11/15/2009 3:24:36 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Cordray, a Democrat, said last week that he is following state law that “says in effect if you’re a state employee and you’re sued for work done in the course ... of your employment, you’re entitled to a defense by the state attorney general’s office.”

Uhhhhhhh......is he saying criminal behavior is part of their job?

19 posted on 11/15/2009 3:47:23 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: tdscpa

They were employees of a democrat administration, but the press is almost all Democrat, almost all the time, and, in my eye, worded the headline too ambiguously. I thought ‘Taxpayers foot bill for employees being sued by ‘Joe the Plumber’ was above a story about Joe suing some of his own workers, with the state holding the bag. If I’d written the headline, it would read ‘Taxpayers foot bill for former state employees being sued by ‘Joe the Plumber’.


20 posted on 11/15/2009 4:13:13 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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