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To: Chet 99
I know not many will agree with me on this... but here goes:

Obama will hit Iran hard, very hard.

First, he has been dissed. As President, the military and the USA are now HIS. How dare the Iranians reject him, the ONE. (remember the ego).

Secondly, Obama has something to prove. He knows he is viewed as weak. He'll do what most insecure democrat presidents do, start a big war.

Third, He needs a distraction from the obvious failure of many of his initiatives and policies (not the unemployment numbers....).

Fourth, Iran is the ultimate boogie man. No one likes them. Not even liberal Europe. Not even other Muslim states. He has a green light.

Fifth, Israel has told him something that will force his hand. I don't know what it is, but it happened last week.

The recent action to start civil seizures of the Iranian controlled mosques and the buildings are a signal. They may be considered launch points for revenge attacks if we strike. The locations were well known for years... and the move now is telling.
14 posted on 11/14/2009 12:01:06 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

That should be “NOTE”: (note the unemployment numbers....).
Wish FR had an edit function...


15 posted on 11/14/2009 12:03:38 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

Interesting post.


17 posted on 11/14/2009 12:05:18 PM PST by The Turbanator
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To: StolarStorm

Forgot to add: The Russians are balking on sending the anti-aircraft system that the Iranians bought. That is very telling indeed.


21 posted on 11/14/2009 12:08:17 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm
I concur

Our boy king narristic in chief does not like to be told he's irrelevant

22 posted on 11/14/2009 12:13:28 PM PST by Popman
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To: StolarStorm

I hope you are right but I fear the opposite, He will further enlist the Presidential Teleprompter into further intense negotiations, hopeful that he will be able to pursuade to have Ahmamurderijad strike on HIS terms so he can create his Utopian State where America used to be. Obmamerica.


28 posted on 11/14/2009 12:21:56 PM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: StolarStorm

Don’t get too excited. I think Obie heard something last week alright. I think he heard that Israel is going to do what it has to in spite of Obama. The mosque seizures etc, were merely to protect himself for what could happen if Israel does what it may intend to do.

As for the US getting involved, probably not. Obozo cannot upset his leftist base, without them, he cannot win again.


30 posted on 11/14/2009 12:24:22 PM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: StolarStorm
Secondly, Obama has something to prove. He knows he is viewed as weak

I think your hypothesis falls apart here at #2. I don't think he sees himself (or thinks others see him) as weak. His narcissism won't allow that, nor will his handlers.

His action of bowing to the point of embarrassing the Emperor of Japan and his wife, supports this. He's so overconfident that he won't even consider asking about, or using, proper protocol.

I can't see any nation aligning with this impudent figurehead and he won't enter into a skirmish unless he has backup.

32 posted on 11/14/2009 12:44:10 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: StolarStorm

Brilliant analysis.


37 posted on 11/14/2009 1:04:06 PM PST by quesney
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Re: 14

I don't see it.
Yes he's been 'dissed'. And yes he is a narcissistic bully.
Expect him to take it on someone else though. Not anyone with teeth who might fight back....

Maybe go after Honduras.
Maybe go create some fake bogey-man in the United States (time to trash Limbaugh again, or go after Sarah Palin ... or the 'selfish' Americans who don't want to turn their lives over the benighted overlords in Washington DC)...
I agree with your assessment of the man's character.
But I don't seem him going after Iran.
At the end of the day he is still a coward.

38 posted on 11/14/2009 1:04:13 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: StolarStorm

I appreciate your thoughtful analysis, but disagree. I think Obama sees himself as a revolutionary for radical “progressivism” and sees his role to be the President who ended American imperialism. Therefore I donKt think he would ever do as you suggest he might.


49 posted on 11/14/2009 1:44:01 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: StolarStorm
Obama will hit Iran hard, very hard.

Your arguments are cogent and compelling. They would apply to almost any very liberal President, even one who was as close to being a hardcore leftist as Carter was.

But to a President who isn't just very liberal, isn't just close to being hard left, but unequivocally is hard left, who is a genuine extremist? I'm not so sure.

It certainly appears at present, like leftist extremists generally for the past 30 or 40 years, that Obama wants to see America humbled. I think it's at least possible, if not probable, that he wants it so bad he'll allow his own humiliation in the process. (Plus, he may be incapable of seeing it that way anyhow.)

55 posted on 11/14/2009 2:03:46 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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Some pretty shrewd thinking there, SStorm, especially that last paragraph. I had thought those seizures were a bold step for the Zero. Makes sense.


61 posted on 11/14/2009 2:41:48 PM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: StolarStorm

That’s incredibly astute analysis. It never even dawned on me why they would seize those mosques.

I would perhaps add, that, if the WH has made an internal decision to do this, he’s not going to broadcast it for the liberal mob to go bonkers over. They desperately want him out of Afghanistan - any indication he’s going to war with Iran would cause half of his voting base to slash their wrists in anguish.

I just don’t know what to believe with this guy. But you could be right.


74 posted on 11/14/2009 8:09:39 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: StolarStorm
I know not many will agree with me on this...

Well I wouldn't go quite that far.

75 posted on 11/14/2009 8:33:59 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: StolarStorm
"I know not many will agree with me on this... but here goes: Obama will hit Iran hard, very hard. First, he has been dissed. As President, the military and the USA are now HIS. How dare the Iranians reject him, the ONE. (remember the ego). Secondly, Obama has something to prove. He knows he is viewed as weak. He'll do what most insecure democrat presidents do, start a big war. Third, He needs a distraction from the obvious failure of many of his initiatives and policies (not the unemployment numbers....). Fourth, Iran is the ultimate boogie man. No one likes them. Not even liberal Europe. Not even other Muslim states. He has a green light. Fifth, Israel has told him something that will force his hand. I don't know what it is, but it happened last week. The recent action to start civil seizures of the Iranian controlled mosques and the buildings are a signal. They may be considered launch points for revenge attacks if we strike. The locations were well known for years... and the move now is telling. "

While your logic is otherwise impeccable, it leaves out two other potential factors:

1. Obama is one of them.

2. Obama is a pussy.

That said, I give your scenario a 40-50% probability not because it's the right thing to do, but because it's politically expedient.

77 posted on 11/14/2009 8:59:37 PM PST by Mariner
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To: StolarStorm

Obumma is a Sunni, not a Shi’ite. Not so difficult to see which way he will go. He visited Saudi and bowed, but not Iran.


79 posted on 11/15/2009 12:24:40 AM PST by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: StolarStorm

You give Obama far more credit for intelligence than he has. He has nowhere near the brains of a Hitler or Stalin. he is a doctrinaire Marxist who got elected to lead a country he hates. He wants to be president of another country, the one he creates. However, your scenario is somewhat plausible as his version of the “Reichstag fire” to consolidate power for the left. I pray you are wrong because otherwise we will really be screwed...


84 posted on 11/15/2009 8:10:17 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: StolarStorm

hmmmmmmm......


89 posted on 11/15/2009 10:06:25 AM PST by is_is (VPD of Sgt Dan, Former 2/5 MARINE - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: StolarStorm

Interesting theory. It’s quite plausible....


91 posted on 11/15/2009 4:08:57 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: StolarStorm

wrong. bookmarked.


94 posted on 11/15/2009 5:09:00 PM PST by NewLand (We shall all hang together or most assuredly we will all hang separately)
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