Posted on 11/12/2009 11:22:06 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet
How many of those were dying anyway?
Yet they can say with absolute certainty that the stimulus package has SAVED or created 640, 532 jobs or whatever # they use.
“H1N1 swine flu killed an estimated 3,900 Americans from April to October”
Hogwash. Folks die from other things, and it is being called H1N1 to make the numbers go up.
As an aside, how many Muslims have died from hog flu…I mean H1N1 swine flu?
I bet none.
Yes, I’ve also suffered from ‘CDCs’ on my hind-end, as Larry the Cable Guy puts it. I found out that Preparation H fixes that up real nice.
Not in Canada either.....
“...seasonal flu usually results in about 17 deaths a year in Alberta...”
These deaths are already reported, but this article is notable for the statement “...seasonal flu usually results in about 17 deaths a year in Alberta...”
5 more Alberta deaths linked to H1N1
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/swineflu/2009/11/09/11687196.html
If you'd a used the cripple stool with the grab-bars, that wouldn'ta happened.
Actually alot of h1n1 deaths aren’t being reported.
Here is an interesting article attesting to that fact....
L.A. County’s Swine Flu Victims: Death Certificates Tell the Stories Of A Ravaging Virus
Nov 2009 - by Callie Schweitzer - Neon Tommy...online publication of the Annenberg School of Journalism - excerpts
“Neon Tommy analyzed the death records and interviewed family members, public health officials and doctors to see what the dozens of deaths suggest about the patterns of the illness and who remains most at risk. In several cases, the families we spoke with said they did not know their relatives had died of swine flu until we told them. In these cases, county officials said the diagnoses had been made after doctors filled out the death certificates, and that it is not the county’s responsibility to notify family members. Nearly half of the death records do not list swine flu as a cause of death.
In a typical flu season, about 1,000 people usually die in Los Angeles County; 36,000, nationwide. But up to 70 percent of the victims usually suffer from preexisting conditions that put them at risk. Our study of the 44 swine flu victims showed this virus behaves differently — the number of people with such conditions was equal to those without such ailments; preexisting conditions included diabetes, renal failure, obesity, hypertension and lupus, among others.
... swine flu in L.A. County has not been predominantly killing people with troubled health histories. A closer look at the 44 certificates showed the contrary — the two categories were equal; 22 had preexisting conditions, and 22 had no preexisting conditions listed...Flu season normally begins in the cooler months of October and November, but swine flu has proved to be different — thriving in warmer temperatures, Lopez said.
“We have a virus that does very well in warmer months and is being transmitted pretty efficiently because of such low immunity,” he said. “It’s not very well understood that this virus has been able to sustain itself ever since it was introduced in April and May.
http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/11/Swine-flu-hits-la-county-victi.html
Roughly the same as motor vehicle fatalities.
Nothing that comes out of the mouth of this government can be trusted. These numbers are incorrect, I’m sure. It’s probably a heck of a lot worse.
Bush’s fault.
Reminds me of an article I read some years ago about some place in Africa (it may have been Nairobi, Kenya) where the medical examiner's office routinely listed "HIV" or "AIDS" as the cause of death for auto accident victims -- because inflating the AIDS death toll brought more money from the United Nations, World Health Organization, etc.
End Of Day Summary for Monday, November 9, 2009 (FluCount.org): Over the past 7 days, 656 new swine flu deaths have been reported around the world, a 22.6% increase over the number of confirmed deaths the week before. With an average of 93.7 deaths per day, the past week was one of the deadliest yet.
The United States topped the list this week, with a record 250 new deaths this week - a 27% increase over the number of US deaths the week before. With 41 states (and Puerto Rico) reporting new deaths this week, H1N1 is showing no signs of a slowdown in the US. Texas leads the list this week, with 28 new deaths being reported. Arizona and California follow, each reporting 17 new deaths. Ohio confirmed 15 new deaths, more than tripling the total number of deaths they had the week before. Additional deaths were reported in the following states: MI (12), NC (12), VA (11), FL (10), CO (9), IA (9), NY (9), IL (8), TN (8), WA (8), IN (6), MN (5), MT (5), OR (5), PA (5), KY (4), NM (4), SC (4), SD (4), WI (4), KS (3), OK (3), LA (3), MS (2), NE (2), NV (2), UT (2), WY (2), AK (1), AL (1), CT (1), DE (1), GA (1), ID (1), ME (1), NJ (1), RI (1), WV (1). Two deaths were also confirmed in Puerto Rico.
After The United States, Mexico confirmed the most casualties with 63 new deaths during the past week. The death toll in Canada is increasing rapidly as well, with 27 new deaths being reported, for an increase of 27% in just one week. India also confirmed 27 deaths, one fewer than last week. The death rate in India has been trending downward. Mainland China reported 23 new H1N1 deaths, while Italy reported 22 - nearly tripling their count in just a week. Peru added 18 new deaths, while the count in Ukraine nearly doubled, with 17 new deaths. Ukraine is reporting many pneumonia-related deaths, some stemming from H1N1, and some stemming from other sources. FluCount will keep a close eye on the situation in Ukraine as it unfolds. Deaths continue to mount in The United Kingdom, where 16 more deaths were reported. Turkey reported 14 new deaths, now having 160% more deaths than they had one week ago. France reported 13 new deaths, while Iran reported 11 new fatalities - increasing their death toll by 50%. Additional swine flu deaths were reported in: Spain (10), Japan (9), South Korea (8), Afghanistan (8), Argentina (7), Ecuador (7), Russia (7), Syria (6), Netherlands (5), Kuwait (5), Colombia (5), Chile (4), Saudi Arabia (4), Finland (4), Ireland (4), Germany (3), Greece (3), Vietnam (3), Serbia (3), Jordan (3), Iraq (3), Venezuela (2), Thailand (2), Hong Kong (2), Mongolia (2), Moldova (2), Qatar (1), Yemen (1), Oman (1), Hungary (1), Norway (1), Bulgaria (1), Belgium (1), El Salvador (1), Sweden (1).
In addition, the following four nations confirmed their very first swine flu deaths: Belarus confirmed 20 fatalities, while Pakistan, Slovenia, and Austria each confirmed 1 swine flu death.
New To List: Republic of the Congo and Armenia both confirmed their first swine flu cases.
A few years ago, I was asked to help CDC develop a crisis management training program. Of course, the focus was on H5N1, the bird flu and the effect that a pandemic of H5N1 would have on the county. They had some very interesting models of H5N1 propagation and could run a large number of scenarios to simulate an outbreak.
In order to develop a training program, I looked at CDC’s existing disease reporting mechanisms and processes. I was appalled at what I found. In addition to mortality reports, the CDC receive admissions reports from most, but not all US hospitals. This reporting system suffers from the current use of telegraph and morse code to transmit information. It looks like it was designed in that era and has only reclutantly come up to the internet era.
These reports are not real time, and when received are suspect at best. Hospitals voluntarily self report and they make the call for reason for admission and disposition of patients. Infectious disease reporting was probably better in the 1920’s than it is today.
If the CDC is using statistical models (probably what they are doing, I’ve seen the models so I know they exist), that data is probably just as reliable as the accual data reported by hospitals and state/local health agencies. Bottom line is: I doubt that they have the slighest clue what the real number should be.
Much ado bout nuttin.
Do we get koolaid next??
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If you aren’t dead, please answer the phone
Director Frieden of the CDC likes phone surveys. He relies on them for determining how many people have been infected with the new H1N1 despite clear-cut evidence that phone surveys are worthless for this purpose. The number infected is the denominator used when calculating the case fatality rate. The numerator is the number dead. Turns out, Dr. Frieden has found a way to calculate this number, also from phone surveys:
From the CDC Weekly 2009 H1N1 Flu Media Briefing, November 3, 2009:
Joanne Silberner: Thanks. You mentioned before the idea that half the people with asthma once they’ve gotten sick have not come in. Where does that number come from?
Tom Frieden: this is from telephone survey day that that we have. We call randomly households. We identify a subset of people who have had influenza-like illness in the previous 30 days. Then for the subset we ask a series of questions about what conditions they have and what they did to seek care. We don’t know what the baseline is for that. We haven’t asked that survey, that question on that widespread basis before. We know we would like more people to seek care if they have an underlying condition with flulike illness.
Joanne Silberner: From the survey you don’t have a sense of what happened to them because you didn’t seek care. You know that from other information.
Tom Frieden: They were still answering the phone and answering our questions a few weeks later. In that regard, we think nothing terrible happened.
In other words, because they were able to answer the phone, they weren’t dead. Really? Did they all answer the phone? Every single one? Beause that would be really incredible. No-one went on vacation. No-one went out to dinner. No-one went to a movie. They all just sat home every night waiting for the CDC to call them again. Dr. Frieden must have found the most cooperative bunch of phone survey respondents, ever.
There are lots and lots of problems with phone surveys. Anyone who follows politics knows that such surveys can yield widely varying results. Just ask Matt Drudge. Anyone who uses phone surveys should know what they can and cannot be used for. I’d really like Nate Silver’s opinion on this, but I’m pretty sure that phone surveys are not a valid way to determine how many people have died of pandemic flu.
But then, I’m not an epidemiologist, so what do I know.
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewforum.php?f=1
Not that it makes a person dieing of the flu any less tragic, but most of the people I have heard who have died from it usually have other complications with it, like a bad heart or other disease that has already weakened them.
I agree with you 100%
10,000 people die in the US every day. 100-200 people dying of flu wouldn't be newsworthy any more than 100 deaths in auto accidents every day is.
If you read this thread you will find that H1N1 is killing healthy children , and adult’s too ...
Also we’ve been posting ongoing swineflu articles here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278371/posts
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