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To: GodGunsGuts

From your own post:

“represents the first FOSSILIZED example of this extremely decay-prone tissue”

LMAO. Give it GGG, this is getting embarrasing.


51 posted on 11/11/2009 11:05:15 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

Word to the wise: While you may prevail by basing your arguments upon fact, you may lose by being banned, as a science based worldview is somewhat heretical hereabouts.


52 posted on 11/11/2009 11:16:01 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Natufian

Hey, just like the last n times this same story has been posted, I am waiting for the link between this finding and a 6 day universe origin (see how nice I was not so say a 6,000 YO Universe?).


56 posted on 11/11/2009 11:26:15 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Natufian

GGG is not contesting whether or not it was fossilized. That it was is obvious. However, How is tissue ‘millions’ of years old, still fresh enough to have softer organic parts still intact? Fossilization has been shown that it can be a rapid process.

THAT is the basis here. Having sofetr tissue still intact is the key.


71 posted on 11/11/2009 12:01:36 PM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: Natufian; count-your-change; RoadGumby; metmom; CottShop; editor-surveyor; Agamemnon; ...

I see you decided to shove your head even deeper into the sand. Perhaps, this will help. After all, the evos date the following dino at nearly five times older than the salamander find. But it probably won’t do you any good as your anti-science Temple of Darwin religion is just too strong to come to terms with the emirical evidence staring you right in the face:

“The two scientists had decided to collaborate again after Schweitzer and paleontologist Jack Horner of Montana State University’s Museum of the Rockies recovered the 80-million-year-old Brachylophosaurus canadensis femur bone in the summer of 2007 and observed that it appeared to be even better preserved than the original T. rex fossil.

Schweitzer’s initial laboratory analyses confirmed this observation: After being subjected to demineralization, the B. canadensis bone fragments showed marked preservation of original tissues and molecules, with microstructures resembling soft, transparent vessels, cells and fibrous matrix – even though the fossil was much older than the T. rex sample.

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Chemical extractions of bone and vessel were subsequently sent to the laboratories of BIDMC scientists Lewis Cantley, PhD, and Raghu Kalluri, PhD, where immunoblots and immunochemistry analyses were conducted to determine the presence of collagen protein in the samples.

“Having been a part of the T. rex study, I was curious to be part of this investigation as well,” explains Cantley, Chief of the Division of Signal Transduction at BIDMC. “In view of the skepticism about the original findings, it was important to demonstrate that our findings in T. rex could be verified in another dinosaur and in other laboratories.”

The results confirmed the existence of protein. “Because I am a collagen biochemist, our lab was contacted to perform an independent analysis of this new bone find,” explains Kalluri, who is Chief of the Division of Matrix Biology at BIDMC. “We isolated the proteins – collagen, laminin and elastin – from the bone, and also extracted bone cells and blood vessels from this sample. Our findings demonstrated that it did contain basement membrane matrix.”

In addition, In situ mass spectrometry studies conducted at Montana State University by Recep Avci and Zhiyong Suo independently verified amino acids in dinosaur tissues, including the collagen signature amino acid, hydroxylated proline.

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The end result was a total of eight collagen peptides and 149 amino acids from four different samples, sequences that held up when multiple validation steps were performed, including comparisons with synthetic peptides using a spectral comparison algorithm and statistical evaluation.”

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090430144528.htm


110 posted on 11/11/2009 1:43:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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