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Muslim Population in the Military Raises Difficult Issues [When Is Enough Enough?]
Wall St. Journal ^ | November 06th, 2009

Posted on 11/06/2009 10:34:40 PM PST by Steelfish

NOVEMBER 7, 2009

Muslim Population in the Military Raises Difficult Issues

YOCHI J. DREAZEN

The deadly rampage at Fort Hood is forcing Pentagon officials to confront difficult questions about the military's growing Muslim population.

The military has worked hard to recruit more Muslims since the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the number of Muslim troops, while still small, has been increasing. There were 3,409 Muslims in the active-duty military as of April 2008, according to Pentagon statistics.

Military personnel don't have to disclose their religions, and many officials believe the actual number of Muslim soldiers may be at least 10,000 higher than the Pentagon statistics.

For instance, the military "Officer Record Brief" of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in the Fort Hood shootings, said he had "no religious preference" and didn't identify him as a Muslim.

Even now, Muslim soldiers remain fairly rare in some parts of the military. At West Point, Army officials said there were just 24 Muslim cadets out of a total student body of 4,400. The Muslim cadets worship in an interfaith center on the bucolic New York campus, but don't have a dedicated mosque.

The push to boost Muslim representation has proven to be a double-edged sword for the military, which desperately needs the Muslim soldiers for their language skills and cultural knowledge, but also worries that a small percentage of those soldiers might harbor extremist ideologies or choose to turn their guns on their fellow soldiers.

In one of the military's most notorious cases of fratricide since Vietnam, Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar, a convert to Islam, rolled a grenade into a tent filled with other soldiers in April 2003. The attack killed two officers and wounded 14 others.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dreazen; islam; muslimtroops; nidalmalikhasan; usmilitary
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1 posted on 11/06/2009 10:34:42 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

God defeated Allah at Fort Hood.He also did not let Hasan die to gain a seat next to his perverted god.

Political Correctness is used to keep America blind to what actually goes on inside a Mujihads heart mind. The left has worked so hard at making sure that America does not see its war against Terror as a religious war, when in fact the enemy sees it as EXACTLY that. A religious war.

This is , as Bush said, a war against evil. And evil came to Fort Hood in the form of a jihadi who was in fact possessed by Allah.For me this incident has shades of the movie “Exorcist.”

And Good has triumphed, even though so many innocents died.
This truth of which we speak needs to me shared with America as much as possible.America needs to know of the evil which it faces, at long last. No matter what the left want to make of it.

The religious practice of the Mujihad needs to be explained to every one. There is an inner prayer designed to connect one with the self righteous energy of Allah, who literally takes over the body and mind of the jihadine.Thats what happened here.A kind of Muslim spiritual possession.Hasan was not insane, or deranged. He was just fired up on his prayers and energized.He was executing a religious ritual which he believed would open the gates of heaven for him.

The MSM will not properly inform the public about this religious practise of jihadism.It would no longer be a war on terror,The terrorists could no longer be redefined as “criminals” by Obama , who should be Mirandized with the benefits of due process that Bush had made sure to remove, as deserved.


2 posted on 11/06/2009 10:41:31 PM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: Steelfish
"There were 3,409 Muslims in the active-duty military as of April 2008, according to Pentagon statistics."

Seeing as how Islam has declared war on the United States, I would say that one Muslim is one too many.

3 posted on 11/06/2009 10:41:39 PM PST by Semper Mark ("Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples liberty's teeth.")
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To: Steelfish

The “questions about the military’s growing Muslim population” are difficult only if we cling to s stifling political correctness.

Same is true regarding questions about the White House’s growing Muslim population.”


4 posted on 11/06/2009 10:42:14 PM PST by USALiberty
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To: Markos33

I agree. Eventually, the West is going to have to make a decision. Has granting recognition of Islam as a religion worthy of equal rights been a sucker’s game? Time will tell!


5 posted on 11/06/2009 10:44:23 PM PST by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty

Time for

Operation 1492


6 posted on 11/06/2009 10:46:58 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Candor7

Thoughtful post, you may be right, this attack may make a difference.


7 posted on 11/06/2009 10:49:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: USALiberty
Eventually

I posted this on another thread but I'll repeat it...
We are thirty years past Eventually. We are near the point of too late!

8 posted on 11/06/2009 10:50:32 PM PST by Semper Mark ("Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples liberty's teeth.")
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To: Steelfish

I wonder what the response would have been if this happened at the pentagon?I wonder do they have civilian security like Fort Hood has?Thank God the lady police officer was on the ball.Good training on her part.Political correctness needs to be done away with today.


9 posted on 11/06/2009 10:51:02 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Steelfish

The Troops and those in Command will address this. We >will< support them. This will be addressed from the ‘bottom up’. The Army and the rest of our Armed Forces will “Protect and Support Their Own”.

If our enemies come to our shores, we will be there.

To paraphrase General George S. Patton, Jr. before engaging the enemy before the Battle of the Bulge,, “If they want to fight this war in the raw, let them bring it on”.


10 posted on 11/06/2009 10:55:01 PM PST by unkus
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To: ansel12

I hope so. Its time America recognized jihadism for the evil it truly is.And its time for Muslims tio recognize that and Dp something about it, like turning in the jihadis and their Imams in the USA who support it sub rosa.

( NO more lets get fired up , get a quick ticket to heaven bull crap)


11 posted on 11/06/2009 10:56:28 PM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: Steelfish

Get another job.


12 posted on 11/06/2009 10:57:46 PM PST by CaptRon
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To: USALiberty

To put it politely: Screw you 0bama.

Come and get me, if you dare. I am an American and make no physical threats against you. I only dare you to challenge me on moral grounds.

We outnumber you and yours,


13 posted on 11/06/2009 10:59:00 PM PST by unkus
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To: Steelfish

Religion of peace. Yeah, right.


14 posted on 11/06/2009 11:11:31 PM PST by KingofZion
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To: Steelfish
The push to boost Muslim representation has proven to be a double-edged sword for the military, which desperately needs the Muslim soldiers for their language skills and cultural knowledge,

Since when is "Muslim" a language, or a culture? This is so stupid, I don't even know where to start...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 11/06/2009 11:12:10 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Steelfish

Madness. Is our military really THAT PC stupid? Our own “military has worked hard to recruit more Muslims” since Sept 11, 2001?

Okay... for those of you who smoked pot and skipped history class: historically Muslims hate all infidels, and declared war on USA (the Great Satan) back in the sixties, and only the foolish disbelieved them. 9/11 was supposed to end that debate. Islam is the second largest world religion, growing fast because most Christians no longer breed at a “replacement rate”. Europe is already post-Christian.

Islam is the 600 lb gorilla in every room in every country. It is a violent, intolerant backward faith that justifies jihadist atrocity and treats women and gays like dogs. You can convert in but CANNOT convert out without being marked for death.

Islam had been trending MORE extreme for 40 years, not more moderate. There is NO moderate muslim movement with any clout, only media apologists for growing evil. Muslims use Western notions of tolerance and diversity against us, and Islam wants to eventually control the entire planet (world caliphate) under sharia. These are not debatable, Islam commands these things.

It is a religion with a built-in political component (no separation of church/state is allowed) and Islam is the social underclass cancer within all nations. Any decent amount of research will reveal these truths. Islam cannot be wished away or ignored and don’t attempt moral relativism, all other main religions feature tolerance instead of murderous intolerance.

Stop me if you know all this. Now, if the FBI is not bugging every mosque in America and if the brass is not discharging every muzzie soldier in our own military.. we have a death wish. Our nation may be suicidal... me, not so much.


16 posted on 11/06/2009 11:13:59 PM PST by moodyskeptic (the counterculture votes R)
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To: USALiberty
Has granting recognition of Islam as a religion worthy of equal rights been a sucker’s game? Time will tell!

It is a cult and time has shown that. It is also a political system which is incompatible to Western Civilization--not just their sharia laws but polygamy and second class citizenship to non muslims or worse. Any person becoming a citizen of this country should have to renounce Islam and if they do not, they should be deported.

Peace to them is when everyone has submitted to their god....and their way of life is unconstitutional. They can not coincide with peoples of other religion...has been proven everywhere they go.

17 posted on 11/06/2009 11:21:19 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie

A Constitutional amendment is in order. Somebody at FR who is a good writer and a legal scholar should draft such a thing and post it for all to see and comment on.


18 posted on 11/06/2009 11:41:04 PM PST by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty
A Constitutional amendment is in order. Somebody at FR who is a good writer and a legal scholar should draft such a thing and post it for all to see and comment on.

For purposes of this Constitution, Islam is not a religion.

19 posted on 11/06/2009 11:54:34 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Steelfish

1997. I was living in Ussurysk, Primorskiy Territory (Pacific Maritime Region), Russia. I visited Vladivostok one day when the USS Belleau Wood was anchored off shore, and U.S. Sailors were coming ashore by the hundreds for the day.

I carried a backpack full of Christian Gospel literature in English and in Russian, and I was offering it piece-by-piece to all on the streets, American sailors and Russian citizens.

I came to a corner where a considerable number of American sailors were gathered, and I will tell you that they were black, because they identified THEMSELVES as Black Muslims.

Because these sailors were in their whites, there was of course no way to identify them as to religious affiliation.

They may have taken me for a Russian. I don’t know. The Russians themselves can spot an American easily, but other visiting foreigners may not be able to distinguish.

The “Black Muslim” sailors came at me with a very threatening posture, used strings of foul language, and did indeed use words to threaten my safety. Their gestures and body language were designed to intimidate and perhaps even eggagerated because they did not know whether I understand their English. Of course, I understood every word.

I wrote a one page report of the incident and delivered it to the U.S. Consulate General in Vladivostok for review by our Military attache there.

I do not know whether my report was forwarded to the commander of the USS Belleau Wood, or if any action was taken. Nobody ever contacted me from the Consulate or the Navy with regard to my report.

Actually, at that moment, I was most grieved over the fact that these American sailors behaved this way in a foreign port, and there were dozens of Russians who witnessed it, whether they understood what was really happening or not. I felt embarrassment more than fear. I did not allow their intimidation to move me down the road, however.

I had decided to not speak any English to them and just allow them to wonder whther they had been understood.

I personally believe that men like this are dangerous to our national security and don’t belong in our Armed Forces.


20 posted on 11/07/2009 12:10:57 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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