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Vatican protests ruling on crucifixes in Italy
AP on Yahoo ^ | 11/3/09 | Alessandra Rizzo - ap

Posted on 11/03/2009 11:10:18 AM PST by NormsRevenge

ROME – The Vatican has denounced a ruling by the European court of human rights that said the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools violates religious and educational freedoms.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi says the crucifix is a "fundamental sign of the importance of religious values" in Italian history and culture.

He says the European court had no right intervening in such a profoundly Italian matter ..

.. In Strasbourg, France, on Tuesday ordered Italy to pay a euro5,000 ($7,390) fine to a mother who wanted crucifixes removed from her children's classrooms.

The Italian government said it would appeal.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: antichristian; antitheism; crucifixes; eussr; italy; protests; ruling; starkravingsocialism; vatican
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1 posted on 11/03/2009 11:10:19 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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Intolerance has no boundaries..


2 posted on 11/03/2009 11:11:25 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge

Italy: beginning to rethink the whole EU thingie.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 11:12:24 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: NormsRevenge

Appeal to who?

Tell ‘em to pound sand.


4 posted on 11/03/2009 11:13:51 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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Reuters piece

Italy in uproar over court ruling against crucifix

Gilbert Reilhac and Philip Pullella

STRASBOURG/ROME (Reuters) – The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that Italian schools should remove crucifixes from classrooms, sparking uproar in Italy, where such icons are embedded in the national psyche.

"This is an abhorrent ruling," said Rocco Buttiglione, a former culture minister who helped write papal encyclicals.

"It must be rejected with firmness. Italy has its culture, its traditions and its history. Those who come among us must understand and accept this culture and this history," he said.

The court ruling, which Italy said it would appeal, said crucifixes on school walls, a common sight that is part of every Italian's life, could disturb children who were not Christians.

5 posted on 11/03/2009 11:16:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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just displaying one may soon be ..Hate crime?

A crucifix is seen on a wall as a student writes on a blackboard in a school classroom in Rome November 3, 2009. The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that Italian schools should remove crucifixes from classroom walls, saying their presence could disturb children who were not Christians. The decision is likely to provoke a controversy in Italy, which is deeply attached to its Roman Catholic roots. REUTERS/Tony Gentile


6 posted on 11/03/2009 11:17:39 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge
“pay a euro5,000 ($7,390) fine to a mother”

May as well take them down because many people will be looking for a payday out of this now.

Personally I look at anything “public” as public toilet.

And I would never display crucifixes in such places.

My ruling would be like this: Crucifixes are forbidden to be displayed in public restrooms as well as all other public rooms.

7 posted on 11/03/2009 11:18:56 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: NormsRevenge

The EU has a separation of church and state provision? What do they say to the coming Islamic theocracy and Sharia courts?


8 posted on 11/03/2009 11:21:06 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Place them in the classroom but put a black cloth over them, to hide them. Then tell the students that Jesus is forbidden to them.

That will make them more interested than ever...


9 posted on 11/03/2009 11:21:19 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

That’s for sure.

These days you have to be normal to be a Rebel.


10 posted on 11/03/2009 11:23:26 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: NormsRevenge

Perhaps the Vatican might wish to reconsider putting its faith in secular statist organizations.


11 posted on 11/03/2009 11:25:18 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (A trade: Conservative Anglicans for Liberal Catholics and a heretic to be named later.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Tail wagging the dog.


12 posted on 11/03/2009 11:26:14 AM PST by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: NormsRevenge

“European court of human rights “

That phrase alone is frightening


13 posted on 11/03/2009 11:27:38 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like Italy has a solution at hand ~ simply dispose of all the non-Christians. Then blame it on the EU ruling.


14 posted on 11/03/2009 11:32:55 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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Tell the EU ‘court’ to go pound sand. Better yet, tell ‘em to send troops to enforce their little ruling.


15 posted on 11/03/2009 11:36:40 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge
ROME – The Vatican has denounced a ruling by the European court of human rights that said the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools violates religious and educational freedoms. Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi says the crucifix is a "fundamental sign of the importance of religious values" in Italian history and culture. He says the European court had no right intervening in such a profoundly Italian matter ..

Ping for later

16 posted on 11/03/2009 11:38:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Lurker

Tell the EU ‘court’ to go pound sand. Better yet, tell ‘em to send troops to enforce their little ruling.


no need to send troops. Italy (and every other EU country) has agreed that the European court is the highest level of jurisdiction. it´s above all national courts. there for as long Italy does not leave the EU it´s bound to its ruling.


17 posted on 11/03/2009 11:41:20 AM PST by darkside321
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world’s gone mad. 1 mother turns around an entire culture. Minority rules in Italy and Europe and especially in America.


18 posted on 11/03/2009 11:41:59 AM PST by sonic109
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To: darkside321

EU , dumbest idea of the century


19 posted on 11/03/2009 11:42:49 AM PST by sonic109
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To: NormsRevenge

still a fan of Global Government, Your Holiness?????


20 posted on 11/03/2009 12:27:23 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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