How Can Glenn Beck Be Right on So Much and Yet Still Believe the book of Mormon? (serious question)

[Scythian]

I'm a huge Beck fan, in fact I'm listening right now here

http://www.ksfa860.com/common/gap_streamer.php

but something really confuses me. It takes the ability to use real critical thinking to know what Beck (and most of us know about the state of the country and where we are heading). That is, we have the ability to discover the truth no matter how much the media or conventional wisdom try to hide it. Yet on Mormonism, Beck is cleary wrong. Any Christian knows that the book or momonism is severely flawed and that Joseph Smith was no prophet. How can Beck cut through all the chaff of what is going on in our world and come to the truth and yet believe the writings of Joseph Smith? It doesn't make sense? I'm not saying he's up to something secret, not by any means, it's just that he's so right about so many things and completely wrong on the most important thing. Now, he just said on the air that he believes Jesus is the Savior of the world and that he is Mormon.

I also think that because he is Mormon he is not attacked near as much if he was a Evangelical Bible only believer. Anyway, am I nutz or does Beck being a Mormon seem bizarre?

[Elsie]

It will be interesting when all of you who refer to this being as a charlaten and explain that to him when you meet him someday!

Well, for ME, I am going to ask him just what he LEARNED to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism; because it sure as heck is OBVIOUS that NONE of you MORMONs have a CLUE!

[Elsie]

Doc & Cov 1

38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself;

Well; except for that darned pesky one wife thing: found in that book I translated.

--Joseph Smith

[Elsie]

John 4 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

And JS is a PRIME example.

MULTIPLY him a hundredfold?

False prophecy...

[Elsie]

some religions don’t spell out or say God name because many use the name disrepectfully, some religions do not talk about Mother because other take delight in being disrespectful.

So which is YOUR reason that you do not enlighten us as to what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism?

[Elsie]

I am happy to defend my Faith, but if it the argument is all over the place and is not direct nor honest (Mormons are the devil), then it is pointless.

I gave you a place to start.

Why not accept my offer?

[Elsie]

You must think that Mormons are the most wrong, dangerous sect on the planet.

At lease a MUSLIM would defend his beliefs by giving verses of the Koran to back up his veiws.

[Elsie]

Despite your vitriolic attitude, I’m un-offendable.

Golly!

Your posts seem to indicate otherwise!

[Elsie]

In henotheism there is only one God who leads.

In MORMONism; there is ONE god who happens to reside in TWO physical bodies.

Neat trick...

[Elsie]

Well, that a pretty simplified summary, but a Mormon would say it was altered throughout time, and it was restored and corrected, etc

You are exactly right; they WOULD 'say' that - and then be upset because someone would like a little PROOF to back up the assertion.

[Elsie]

It’s pretty well documented. Do you want sources?

I've been trying to get sources to a LOT of claims you MORMONs are making in these thread; but you fail to do it.

Why?

[Elsie]

GMTA

[ejonesie22]

Elsie, I certainly hope your question remains unanswered at least from Smith himself.

I would not want to have to travel where he is to get an answer even if just for a short visit...

[nowandlater]

http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/henotheism.htm

Here’s one.

[nowandlater]

What place to start? You are all over the place.

You want me to argue about my Faith being the correct one and others Faiths are not. You have no argument from me.

[nowandlater]

Digest this book (one of many), from the impeccable Old Testament scholar, Margeret Barker. She’s has written several books on the era of 2nd Temple Judaism. The theological construct sounds strikingly like Mormonism, it ain’t funny.

http://www.margaretbarker.com/Publications/GreatAngel.htm

“Many of the old certainties have been destroyed by new knowledge. What has become clear to me time and time again is that the evidence indicates that pre-Christian Judaism was not monotheistic in the sense that we use that word. Many in first century Palestine retained a world view derived from the more ancient religion of Israel, in which there was a High God and several Sons of God, one of whom was Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel. Yahweh the Lord could be manifested on earth in human form, as an angel, or in the Davidic king. It was as a manifestation of Yahweh, the Son of God, that Jesus was acknowledged as Son of God, Messiah and Lord.”

[ejonesie22]

I am familiar with Barkers work. Some Orthodox Priest include it in Catechism as I recall. It is good HISTORICAL scholarship.

So your defense of Modern Mormonism which practice concepts that have long been rejected by Christian Scholars and practitioners as being unbilblical and unsupported by the most fundamental study of Scripture is to point out it is similar to the ancient practices of some Jewish peoples and their predecessors, practices long rejected as being unbilblical and unsupported by the most fundamental study of Scripture.

Well that's one approach I guess.

Though I think comparing it to Greek Mythology would be more interesting...

[colorcountry]

Hmmm. I particulary liked his book entitled: “God, Reason and the Evangelicals: The Case Against Evangelical Rationalism”

and his thesis:
“God, Reason and the Evangelicals: The Case Against Evangelical Rationalism.”

Do you know if this is a Jewish source? Is he Jewish?

[Elsie]

You want me to argue about my Faith being the correct one and others Faiths are not.

Nah...

That's WAY to fuzzy and nebulus.

Let's start with the type of man Jos. Smith revcord showed him to be.

[Elsie]

...the ancient practices of some Jewish peoples...

Modern Mormonism DOES embody the Jewish practices: Jews were BIG on Law Keeping.

Non-Mormons get the MILK of MORMONism when it says they are 'saved' by grace and only JESUS is the one doing any work; and yet they PRACTICE (and advertise) so much about KEEPING Laws and Covenants they have made.

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GALATIANS gets ignored (or spun wildly) by MODERN Mormonism.

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Galatians 3

 

 1.  You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
 2.  I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
 3.  Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
 4.  Have you suffered so much for nothing--if it really was for nothing?
 5.  Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
 6.  Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
 7.  Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
 8.  The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
 9.  So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
 10.  All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
 11.  Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
 12.  The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."
 13.  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
 14.  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
 15.  Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
 16.  The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed,"  meaning one person, who is Christ.
 17.  What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
 18.  For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
 19.  What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
 20.  A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
 21.  Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
 22.  But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
 23.  Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
 24.  So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ  that we might be justified by faith .
 25.  Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.