Posted on 10/16/2009 12:41:51 PM PDT by coon2000
As the homemade balloon took to the air, Richard Heene blasts wife about tethering. • While world worried, 'balloon boy' was safe in attic http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7e7_1255709203
After watching that, I say:
TAKE THE KIDS AWAY FROM THOSE REPULSIVE NARCISSIST DRUGGIE PARENTS!!!
Again, who decides? You? There are people who think it is mental abuse to teach your child a religion. Or to homeschool them. Or to punish them when they do wrong. Who decides? The lines have to be clear.
The Heene’s will never be voted parent of the year and they are NOT raising saints to be sure but if we put people’s rights above the rights of the state then people have a right to “screw up” their children. What no one has a right to do is physically abuse or sexually abuse a child. Yes I watched the video and it was horrendous. A reason to call CPS? No. Neither is teaching them to lie to the police. It is however a reason to have a POLICE investigation of the parents.
I take it you have never dealt with a power hungry CPS worker. Alot of the times, a child is safer with an abusive parent than they are in the system. This is usually true except in extreme cases.
It amazes me that so many people on this forum who detests big government, sound like bleeding heart liberals when it comes to CPS. It’s for the children you know. Who was it that said “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”? Rhetorical question.
I didn't see a basket under it?
How about MENTAL abuse?
WOW is all I say. I am glad that you aren’t in charge of who loses their children. Losing your parental rights should be a LAST resort in extreme cases. It should never be the knee jerk reaction of people who think they are better than everyone else and that they alone can judge the proper atmosphere that a child can be raised in.
BTW, I think the Heene’s are despicable but I would never advocate that someone lose their child because I didn’t like the way they were raising them. Your comment doesn’t belong on a conservative forum!
It sounds to me like someone’s been checked up on by the CPS. ;-)
People who mentally abuse their children need help. Do I think that is the government’s job? No. Why? Because it isn’t against the law. However, physical abuse and sexual abuse is. Should someone try to step in and help a child that is mentally abused? Yes. Should it be the government? No. This is a conservative forum. We believe government shouldn’t overstep it’s bounds. Why is it okay in this case? BTW, what would you consider mental abuse?
You need to get a refund from your Lawyer 101 class.
“It sounds to me like someone’s been checked up on by the CPS.” ;-)
Nope, never even had a phone call. You don’t have to experience evil firsthand to know it is evil. I know of enough lives completely destroyed by them including a Baptist children’s pastor who hasn’t seen his family in over a year. His eldest daughter was molested in foster care. His wife left him so she could see the children. CPS told her that if she stayed with him that she would lose her rights too. He was falsely accused and he has photographic proof of their lies but he still doesn’t have his children back and he still hasn’t had his day in court. You can follow his story here... http://www.youtube.com/user/Psalm127v3
We may be playing semantics here. Please clarify what you mean by mental abuse. If you are saying what the Heene’s are doing to their children is illegal, then we disagree. I think what they are teaching them is despicable, not illegal and not worthy of a CPS visit.
Sorry here is the link to the video that explains what happened to the Douglass family.. http://www.youtube.com/user/Psalm127v3#p/u/34/HnIFzg0tfJ0
Mental abuse as defined by the laws of the fifty states.
“You need to get a refund from your Lawyer 101 class”
I never said I was a lawyer. The point of this whole discussion is that someone said the Heene’s were mentally abusing their children. Back up thread I described abuse as misusing. Under that definition I continued the discussion and said that ALOT of people abuse their children (not in an illegal way). Example, an older child always having the responsibility for a younger sibling. But because it isn’t the responsibility of an older sibling to be the primary caretaker for a younger sibling all the time, then the older is being misused as a babysitter (ie abused).
When I was talking about mental abuse of the Heene boys, I meant teaching them filth and dirty language and teaching them to lie to authorities, yelling at them, cussing at them and calling them names like stupid or lazy (things seen on Wife Swap). I think this is mental abuse although not illegal.
If you are talking about psychological abuse then we are discussing two different things. Psychological abuse rarely occurs by itself. It is usually a vehicle to keep people quiet about sexual or physical abuse, to keep a spouse from leaving etc. If you investigate physical or sexual abuse you are going to find psycological abuse. I am not sure how you would investigate a case of psychological abuse that occured by itself. There wouldn’t be clearly defined outward physical signs and symptoms.
Psychological abuse isn’t going to express itself as three unruly, undisciplined, loud mouthed kids on a rap video on youtube. They are raising obnoxious kids in a way that I don’t believe kids should be raised. I would consider that an abuse of their office as parents.
I hope that explains my position a little better. Sometimes there is a disconnect on here because we can’t keep copying and pasting every comment into the new comment and sometimes things get misread or misunderstood.
Your sarcasm/insult doesn’t really help to further the conversation. In fact, for alot of people they would just insult you back and shut the discussion down.
Ping to my last post to you. What the Heene’s are doing to their boys does not classify as psychological abuse.
You can shut it down if you want. That won't change the fact that you wrongly said that mental abuse of children was not against the law.
I wasn’t talking about psychological abuse according to the law (ie threatening harm, terrorizing, isolation).
I was talking about what the Heene’s are doing to their children, teaching them unruly, disgusting behavior as cute and something to be filmed and put online. Also, cussing and yelling at the children is abusive (IMO) although not illegal.
Someone I love dearly was told that their conception was an accident. That the mom considered abortion and her life would have been easier if she hadn’t had children. She said these things in frustration sometimes and they hurt her child. Otherwise, she loved her child and gave the child a good life. This is the kind of thing I was thinking of when the term “mental abuse” came up.
I was wrong to say that mental abuse was not against the law. I incorrectly used the term. Please forgive me. I concede the point. (Enjoy, there aren’t alot of people on here that will easily admit they are wrong, I am one of them) ;)
Then you have to change the laws!
Florida Code Section 39.202, 205; 39.201; 39.01(2)
What Constitutes Abuse Willful or threatened act resulting in physical, mental, or sexual injury or harm, causing or likely to cause impairment of physical, mental, or emotional health
Mandatory Reporting Required By Physician, mental health professional, spiritual practitioner, school teacher, social worker, law enforcement officer, judge Basis of Report of Abuse/neglect One who knows or has reasonable cause to suspect neglect, abuse, or abandonment
To Whom Reported Department of Children and Family Services Penalty for Failure to Report or False Reporting Misdemeanor in 1st degree; if knowingly made false report: felony in 3rd degree
“Then you have to change the laws!”
How about I just amend my statement. I think that would be easier.
Orginal statement “The problem is that CPS should investigate PHYSICAL and SEXUAL abuse.”
Amended statement “The problem is that the POLICE should investigate physical, sexual and psychological/emotional/mental abuse.
I think CPS should be done away with. Alot of authority and no accountability.
“The U.S. Department of Justice defines emotionally abusive traits as including causing fear by intimidation, threatening physical harm to self, partner, children, or partner’s family or friends, destruction of pets and property, forcing isolation from family, friends, or school or work.:
This leaves alot open for interpretation.
Bad parenting with cussing children who burp and pass gas is not in this category. That is my argument.
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