Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate

Wordpress ^ | October 15, 2009

[Red Steel]

Witness comes forward, history of Internet "Rumour" documented.

[Drew68]

And the article also mentions Free Republic.

Yes, it does. Furthermore, I'll concede that just because something was posted on Stormfront doesn't mean it's BS.

That being said, unless a video surfaces, this is BS. And if a video surfaces, someone may want to forward it to Keyes since he doesn't remember Obama saying this and Keyes could probably use the evidence right now.

I'll be waiting patiently for the video footage which, admittedly, would be pretty big news. I believe I'll be waiting a long, long time.

[Drew68]

This just popped up on Twitter. Very weird.

And posted here on about 150 different threads since yesterday.

[buffyt]

Of course he was born in Kenya, his grandmother said so, said she was there in the room when he was born in Kenya. No wonder he didn’t bring her to live in the White House.

[sageb1]

Sorry. Didn’t see.

[Drew68]

Sorry. Didn’t see.

It's all good.

At least you didn't post thread #151. Someone else will though.

[sageb1]

Thanks. I post FR stuff at facebook. This wasn’t an issue I focused on so...well, I guess you understand.;)

[Red Steel]

Yes, it does. Furthermore, I'll concede that just because something was posted on Stormfront doesn't mean it's BS.

That being said, unless a video surfaces, this is BS.

Suprisingly, we agree on the first count but not on the second.

I wouldn't call it BS until the debate video can be seen in its entirety.

[presently no screen name]

If Keyes made that statement - it’s not your typical accusation - why can’t he remember it? Also, since BO, somewhat agreed.

[Drew68]

I wouldn't call it BS until the debate video can be seen in its entirety.

I'd like to see this video in its entirety as well. As, I'm sure, would Dr. Keyes since he was there.

Video footage of Barack Obama looking into a camera and saying he's not eligible for the presidency would be huge news. Even I wouldn't try and spin that.

Depositions from birthers claiming they saw this on TV? Eh, not so much.

[Brown Deer]

Oct 12, 2004 Alan Keyes and Barack Obama debate, hosted by Illinois Radio Network: transcript - audio

Oct 21, 2004 U.S. Senate debate sponsored by the League of Women Voters in Illinois: transcript - audio

Oct 26, 2004 Debate sponsored by WTTW and the City Club of Chicago: transcript

[TBP]

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

[Artemis Webb]

I believe Eternal Vigilance, who knows and has worked for Dr Keyes has said no such thing occurred. If EV says no such thing occurred I trust his annoying and slightly sycophantic recall of facts.

[Brown Deer]

Illinois Senate Debate

Debate - 10/21/2004
Candidates for the U.S. Senate from Illinois took part in a debate. The candidates are seeking the position vacated by the planned retirement of Senator Fitzgerald. Mr. Obama is a State Senator and garnered national...
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

Illinois Senate Student Forum

Debate - 09/29/2004
Illinois Senate candidates Alan Keyes and Barack Obama took part in a student forum at WTTW-TV studios in Chicago. Each candidate had a half-hour to... met with the students first, followed by Barack Obama. WTTW-TV hosted the forum.
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

Illinois Senate Debate

Debate - 10/26/2004
Candidates for the U.S. Senate from Illinois took part in a debate. The candidates are seeking the position vacated by the planned retirement of Senator Fitzgerald. Mr. Obama is a State Senator and garnered national...
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

Illinois Senate Debate

Debate - 10/12/2004
Democratic State Senator Obama and former candidate for the Republican presidential nomination Keyes debated in the Old State Capitol for the Illinois senate seat opened by the retirement of Senator Fitzgerald. ...
Person: Alan Keyes, U.S. Senate Candidate, R IL
Person: Barack Obama, U.S. Senate Candidate, D IL

[Danae]

I have spent the last few hours watching these which I easily found on the CSPAN site, and did NOT find the references that Carlton and Post & Email made.

Leo Donofrio actually kicked John Charlton and his blog Post & Email off his site, permanently banned him. This was Donofrio's post, ed. is Donofrio. I do not trust Charlton, and I think that the debunking of the myth he posted about today on his blog and debunked by FR here this early morning JUSTIFIED Donofrio in banning him. Do not trust that site. I think it also justifies Donofrio's position that Charlton is part of the distraction effort, and validates the opinion that Donofrio is on the right track with the Hawaiian inquiries and with the fact that Obama's father is British. Which precludes Obama from ever having the Natural Born Citizenship status required for the office of POTUS. Here is the post:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/uipa-request-5-from-leo-c-donofrio/

John Charlton Says:
October 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Leo,

A concerned citizen just got this reply from the AG’s office in HI about the nbc issue:

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/hi-attorney-generals-office-denies-policies-on-nbc/

Would beg your input on what this response means (something that I could quote you on, at the Post & Email).

[ed. My input is that I do not have any faith in you - Mr. John Charlton - or your publication the Post and Email. I suspect your blog's motivation for existing is directly opposite to the intention of my blog.

As of today, October 9, 2009 you are permanently banned from commenting at this blog. You have the sole honor of that ban to yourself. No other person or journal has earned this distinction. As far as I am concerned, you no longer even exist in the blogosphere.

I do not trust you and I find your attempt to jump from journalist to lawyer arrogant, suspicious and very sad. I will not grace your Seussian Hooplah with another glance. I encourage my readers to ignore your dangerously misleading legal analysis.

No future links to your blog will be posted here. All prior links will remain although this statement will be added as an update. I will not attempt to revise history and erase my prior - very mistaken - support of your blog.

Readers, there appears to be a very well coordinated attempt in the blogosphere to control damage which my recent reports and legal analysis have generated in opposition to the official Hawaii DoH story.

Rest assured, the Hawaii Attorney General's office provided an opinion to the DoH which was recorded. Both I and another researcher received an official response from Hawaii Deputy Attorney General Jill T. Nagamine a few days ago which clearly denied access to the letter concerning the "natural born citizen" statement made by Fukino on July 27, 2009. It acknowledged the existence of this opinion while claiming attorney client privilege thereto. When the time is right, I will publish on this issue. For the time being, my research and evidence gathering continue.

The question discussed at Mr. Charlton's blog which was allegedly sent to Nagamine contains one of the most horribly constructed queries one could ever dream up - a true work of Seussian Hooplah which conveniently allowed the "no records exist" answer she gave.

Here is the misleading question sent to the AG's office:

"I am requesting...Final opinions, including concurring and dissenting opinions, as well as orders made in the adjudication of cases, except to the extent protected by section 92F-13(1), which contain any mention of “natural born citizen” issued by your department in the last 10 years..."

Since the AG will argue that the opinion her office provided to Director Fukino is subject to the protection of 92F-13(1), Nagamine responded that no records exist responsive to that request.

The question above left wiggle room the size of ten football fields for one to slip through. The question appears to have been devised for just that purpose. I can assure you that no serious inquisitor would ever issue a question so devoid of teeth as the one above. Rest assured, the question I asked and to which she responded left no wiggle room.

Do not be distracted. Seussian Hooplah is coming from enemies of the truth as well as those who purport to be in search of the truth. Be aware of it. Understand it. Expose it.

We have them cornered. I couldn't be more encouraged. Rarely do you get to see the fruits of your labor confirmed in this way. Usually, the suspects keep their mouths shut. But when you place a rat in a corner, he has no choice but to attack. By attacking - they admit to having been placed in a corner.

I expect continuing deception on many levels, but I feel energized that this blog has struck fear in the hearts of those opposed to truth. They are now forced to expose themselves. People sell their souls so easily these days. Who knows how far the rot goes? But for anyone with a desire for truth, the truth will be crystal clear.

The awakening is upon us. But puss must first come to the surface for the infection to heal. Let it come. This is a cleansing process.

Getting the truth to you is my burden. What you do with that truth is yours.

Leo C. Donofrio, Citizen Attorney 10.09.2009 9:14 PM ET]

[Danae]

This has been debunked, thought you might want to investigate it and add that to the title of the article if you concur.

[Danae]

EV is right, I watched the debates tonight and though I did do some cautious skimming, I did NOT find anything of the sort in any of the Videos on CSPAN Video Archives.

[machogirl]

I read all three transcripts on scribd. The second debate was televised. Didn’t see that exchange anywhere.

[machogirl]

i found an article which mentions something Keyes said which might have provoked O’s response.

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/citations/04/041027.obama-st.html

In a discussion of the problem of illegal aliens, Keyes said “we need to change our basis for citizenship because I think . . . where you’re a citizen just because you’re born here is something that is contributing to this problem and needs to be changed.”

Afterward, Keyes said citizenship should only be granted if both parents are U.S. citizens.

[BushCountry]

This seems like a complete setup...

http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcripts.php?p=2

In none of the transcripts, and yes, I checked all three of the debates; I came to this conclusion, the exchanged that was stated in this thread never happened.

If you are curious, I have some birther blood running through my veins. I wish we had definite proof either way, that is why I searched.

[MilspecRob]

Another “Whitey” tape