Posted on 10/15/2009 7:21:42 PM PDT by Newton
House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) held a hearing this morning to certify that H.R. 3200 -- the main House Obamacare bill which was the subject of all the town hall rage in August -- has met all requirements to pass as a “budget reconciliation” measure.
Under reconciliation, the bill can be passed by a simple majority vote in the Senate -- just 51 votes -- and will be given preferential treatment on the House floor as well. The Dems have apparently invoked the “nuclear option” to shut out Republicans and ensure the bill is passed before the end of the year. (see link for more....)
(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...
Interesting....hope that's true. However, I believe they're the true greedy ones....they really want the government handout regardless of what it does, but they're too proud to admit it publicly.
The dems will take a major hit over this and could lose the House in 2010. That’s why they are rushing so fast to cram this down our throats so they can move back a tad to the middle.
The demos will definately take a hit, but not from the mushy middle. It will be conservatives coming out from everywhere to vote them out.
I also believe that the democrats know full well what they're doing. They are not in la la land when craming this down our throats. This is a calculated move to ensure dependence from the masses which is the key to their power. After healthcare is passed, they will start on amnesty for illegals and America will be lost to a socialist demise.
Good points. One reason why they timed to illegal immigration to be dealt with AFTER health care is they sure as heck did not want Congress scoring of the costs to include all the extra bucks for the illegals and their families. We are so screwed when this passes.
http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/communists-flourish-in
Please read this article and the DOCUMENT LINKED through it on Radfest 2004. (I found this document in 2004 and the power of the left, along with their SOCIALIST tendencies is quite apparent.)
Quoting from my Blog, “Communists Flourish in Patriotic America”
“They that are on their guard and appear ready to receive their adversaries are in much less danger of being attacked than the supine, secure and negligent.” Benjamin Franklin.
This is and has been my greatest fear since Obama started showing his true colors post-election.
I think we have one chance in 2010. If we do not, at the very least, wrest control of the House from the socialists, it will be all over.
There will not be an election in 2012.
A Freeper on another thread recommended a strike against the gov’t. I should have responded with a question, but I’ll ask here. What would a strike entail?
Why does everyone still act so surprised?
How many times does Lucy have to pull the ball away?
While they may not be referring to themselves with the word "slave", true Americans already watch their freedoms being gradually chipped away. "Things will change" but by then it may be too late to change things.
I've never seen so many truly dangerous/disastrous to the Republic items pushed through all at the same before. Unfortunately, I am not old enough to remember first hand how Johnson got his "Great Society" passed.
Executive summaries:
The first Obama porkulus bill has had only a tiny fraction of the money spent (most of it will kick in just in time for the 2010 midterms) and there are trial balloons being floated for a second one. The economy remains In Big Trouble. Unemployment has exploded like a cancer all across the country (there was a great graphic of this posted last week). The White House is dealing with friends and enemies in a fashion that makes Dick Nixon (who was threatened with impeachment for it) look like a piker. The budget deficit for this year alone reaches 13 figures.
What is there not to be proud about this administration?
That's what people on our side said about impeached ex-president Clinton. That's what the other side said about Bush II. What makes this time any different?
The next administration, whomever it may be, will not be repealing any significant amount of legislation passed now. The Democrats know this.
Part of President Reagan's mandate, established with the 1980 landslide (the defeated incumbent president quit the race before polls closed in California), was to end the Department of Education established by Carter in the previous administration. How well has that gone?
If this garbage gets passed, it will be around forever or until we escape via bankruptcy as a nation.
Excellent point. The worst provisions of health care "reform" will not be implemented until 2013. Meanwhile, there's a whole lot of pork being aimed at traditional Democrat voters and timed to coincide with the 2010 election on its way.
Earth to whatever planet it is that you are living on. That hasn't been true in many decades.
“What makes this time any different?”
Clinton and Bush I and II did not have 5th graders singing songs about how Obama is going to save the world. How old will they be when they find out He must leave office, because of some silly constitution?
I very seriously doubt obama leaving office of his own accord. The results of the 2010 elections will be a good measuring stick. If the Republicans win it is a new game. But if the Democrats manage to steal another election, then at least initially, they will begin meeting in secret behind closed doors to formulate a plan to keep obama as long as they want him. What it will be I can’t say. But I can say that if the Democrats are allowed to steal the 2010 eletions the time for voting will be over.
I understand where you are coming from. As another poster mentioned, though, this fear rises every time. The Left was sure Bush II was going to declare martial law and cancel elections and declare himself Bushitler I for the next 1000 years.
What concerns me is the tendency for people to try to rule everything their technology allows them to grab. This was true of the Romans, the English, the Spanish, Napoleon, Hitler et al.
The prize now seems to be the entire planet, since we have global communications and global travel. This explains all the efforts to save us all from global calamities by merely allowing the UN (or others) to determine who uses oil and who has guns.
Obama will probably leave office, even gracefully. There is far too much in his way if he plans to become the Caliphate of Earth or Hegemon of All, or even Permaprez.
Given the way the country has gone, I wouldn't think it an unworthy reform to allocate representation and votes based on the amount of income tax paid.
It was quite clear that when establishing this country, the founding fathers only wanted eligible voters who had a stake in the future of the country (landowners). Universal suffrage, in retrospect, has been a horrible idea.
Two term limit for all federal politicians AND Judges who will be ELECTED at all levels to include the Supremes.
Term limits are a horrible idea and only serve to further entrench surrounding bureaucracy.
I am as little enamored of the idea of voting for the Judicial Branch as I am of voting for Senators. Neither is constitutional.
We're a Republic, not a Democracy.
Franchise (The right to vote and hold office) limited to whose who can pass a 12th Grade Civics Exam given ONLY in English and to those who are native born Americans.
That rather misses the point. Suffrage was never intended to be granted to those without a stake in the future of the country. So long as we have something as evil as the income tax, I think it would make sense to limit franchise to those who pay net income tax. ("Net" being a weasel word to bypass the lunacy of all the tax credits that have been created of late).
There shall be a separation of the ECONOMY and the STATE.
"Shall" is as strong of language as you can get in software and engineering specifications. I disagree. I do think a certain amount of state intervention is required in the economy. It's a matter of where to draw the line. The line we have now is is wrong any way I look at it.
I don't mind at all that the melamine guys in China received the death penalty. I do mind that regulatory procedures didn't catch it.
No federal funds shall be allowed for EDUCATION except for veterans.
Where in the constitution does it say anything about the Federal government being allowed to meddle in education? Just asking.
No thanks to all of your ideas.
Well you put me in my place :-)
If he cedes US sovereignty as expected in Copenhagen in a couple of months, why would he still want to retain that old dead position, when he can move on to be El Supremo of the UN?
2010 is too late and if a general amnesty is declared, there won't need to be an ACORN to steal an election.
Good question. I don’t have the answer.
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