Posted on 10/13/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer personally attacks opposing parties and disrespects the integrity of the judiciary, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer recklessly accuses a judge of violating the Judicial Code of Conduct with no supporting evidence beyond her dissatisfaction with the judge’s rulings, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law, that lawyer ceases to advance her cause or the ends of justice.
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Regrettably, the conduct of counsel Orly Taitz has crossed these lines, and Ms. Taitz must be sanctioned for her misconduct. After a full review of the sanctionable conduct, counsel’s conduct leading up to that conduct, and counsel’s response to the Court’s show cause order, the Court finds that a monetary penalty of $20,000.00 shall be imposed upon counsel Orly Taitz as punishment for her misconduct, as a deterrent to prevent future misconduct, and to protect the integrity of the Court. Payment shall be made to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerk’s Office, within thirty days of today’s Order. If counsel fails to pay the sanction due, the U.S. Attorney will be authorized to commence collection proceedings.
(Full Order at the link.)
Nonsense by you again. I gave you plenty of evidence that Obama is not a NBC and not eligible to be president that encompasses more than the alleged Kenyan birth.
If it's nonsense, then show the evidence, ANY evidence, supporting a Kenyan birth prior to October 2008. And show the evidence, ANY evidence, of anyone alleging that Obama was not a natural born citizen by virtue of his father prior to the birth certificate blow-up in June 2008. You can't do it, because this issue was manufactured in summer 2008.
That, despite the fact that the nationality of Obama's father was rather conspicuously revealed in Obama's 1995 book. But amazingly, it occurred to NO ONE that his father would make him ineligible until 13 years after he published the book, 4 years after his name started getting tossed around for President, and almost 1 1/2 years after he formally declared his candidacy.
If the definition of 'natural born citizen' was what you say it is, then it's downright amazing that no one put those pieces together any earlier. I'll bet you can't even find a FreeRepublic post before June 1, 2008 from anybody explicitly saying that 'natural born citizen' requires two parents.
Assured by who?
bvw and El Gato both stated that Bubba would still be a natural born citizen, even though he was born with dual citizenship. Do you agree or disagree with their shared assessment?
Make sure you get a Lefty Socialist Commie one.
The only lefty socialist commie professor at my law school was the CrimProc professor, not ConLaw. I wouldn't be asking him. My own ConLaw professor was the Federalist Society faculty advisor. And I guarantee you that he, and ever other law professor at my school, would back my side, not yours.
So do you care to take me up on that bet, or not? Are you willing to test your interpretation of 'natural born citizen' against some actual, educated Constitutional professors?
Obama has been President for less than nine months. What Presidents, other than maybe George Washington, have had signs or national monuments erected in their honor during their first nine months in office? Wouldn't that be pompous as heck?
I can also confirm for you that the hospital that George W. Bush was born at doesn't have a plaque saying he was born there. Reportedly, the most they've done since 2000 is mention his birth there in a hospital visitor's brochure.
Now why would *anyone* not want to say what hospital they were born in?
He has said. It was Kapi'olani Medical Center. He wrote a letter saying so. He's never said he was born anywhere else. In eight years in office, did George W. Bush ever publicly state what hospital *he* was born in?
We could post derivation of phrase on the one word alone, all night! LOL
Time to go back and see what NS and mlo are up to.
I'm sorry, but that's absolutely not the way the law works. Once a court orders a fine, the merits of that decision can only be challenged on appeal. The judge's order will be docketed in the federal court in California (this is an administrative step, not requiring any hearing before the judge) and the U.S. Attorney's Office in California can then go out and seize her bank accounts or any other property they can find.No court hearings will take place unless it's on the issue of whether the property is hers or whether it is something exempt from levy.
Sorry, you’re correct - 1981. The “travel ban” is still occasionally proclaimed on these threads, even though repeatedly debunked.
That's not how citizenship law works. Britain can grant British citizenship to anyone they want to. They don't need any kind of 'jurisdiction' to grant citizenship under their own law. Countries just tend not to be overly generous with granting citizenship, because doing so isn't usually in their best interests.
How would such a claim be received by the United States? I strongly suggest it would not be recognized. There's a rather glaring, historic precedent for just this sort of thing.
Of course it wouldn't be recognized in the U.S. The United States doesn't really recognize dual citizenships. In the eyes of the U.S., a U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen and only a U.S. citizen. To the U.S., Barack Obama was born a U.S. citizen and whatever any foreign country considered him was irrelevant to the U.S. If the argument is that only dual citizenships that the U.S. government recognizes disqualifies a child from being a NBC, then it wouldn't disqualify Obama.
I'm going to posit that you know it's a silly, specious argument with no basis at all, which is why you just threw it out there without elaboration.
I elaborated on it the first time weeks ago. But for the heck of it, let's narrow the hypothetical in such a way to address your criticisms of the broad version.
Israel decides to declare that all Jewish children born in the U.S. are also citizens of Israel. Relatively conceivable, in a way that you can imagine the U.S. and the international community wouldn't have any overt objections to. It's a polite gesture, and offered in goodwill. Does this, then, disqualify all Jewish children from becoming President?
I did look at the record of decision, and I can only say that it does indeed strike me as biased. Genuinely disinterested analysts do not use sweeping invectives like “the so-called birther movement,” or remain tenaciously fixated on the side issue of the birth certificate while delivering only a glancing blow to the larger question of presidential authority.
Much of his opinion reads more like diatribe than discourse. That, as you must know, is nothing new in written legal opinions. I fear it is becoming more frequent, however, as legal education itself has become ever more politicized. I am certain you are aware that judges are humans too, and as prone to bias as anyone else. It is only the most disciplined practitioners of the judicial arts who can distance themselves somewhat from the distortions of their own lens. If you do not believe this I can reasonably infer you haven’t done much work in Family Court.
Nevertheless, I regret you feel my finding of judicial bias makes me both dishonest and lacking in objectivity. I do not see it that way. I admit I do have a point of view, as do we all, but I deny any dishonesty in arriving at it, and I have conscientiously tried to remain objective. Sometimes these “anonymous textual encounters” allow us to say things we would never say to a person to his or her face. I believe if we were having this conversation in the comfort of my living room (or yours), you might be inclined to allow my good will and sincerity to compensate somewhat for the imperfections in my objectivity.
The evidence - the proof - is that Obama had a Kenyan father and derived his citizenship from his father makes him not a natural born citizen. Obama's allegiance is not to the United States but to some place else. The things that are manufactured are your posts and Obama's Hawaiian COLB.
That, despite the fact that the nationality of Obama's father was rather conspicuously revealed in Obama's 1995 book. But amazingly, it occurred to NO ONE that his father would make him ineligible until 13 years after he published the book, 4 years after his name started getting tossed around for President, and almost 1 1/2 years after he formally declared his candidacy.
LoL! Obama didn't announce to run for the presidency until what - 2006. No one took the Kenyan clown seriously at the time. Every silly pundit thought someone like Hillary would be the DemoCrap nominee. People started to take a serious look at him until he made it into the public radar screen.
If the definition of 'natural born citizen' was what you say it is, then it's downright amazing that no one put those pieces together any earlier. I'll bet you can't even find a FreeRepublic post before June 1, 2008 from anybody explicitly saying that 'natural born citizen' requires two parents.
I think my above explanation covers it quite well. No one gave the Kenyan a serious look and the government/Demo loving press gave him cover.
bvw and El Gato both stated that Bubba would still be a natural born citizen, even though he was born with dual citizenship. Do you agree or disagree with their shared assessment?
The real question is Obama a NBC? -- and that's a resounding no - noway, nohow, nope. As for Bubba, irrelevant here and truly care for the particulars.
The only lefty socialist commie professor at my law school was the CrimProc professor, not ConLaw. I wouldn't be asking him. My own ConLaw professor was the Federalist Society faculty advisor. And I guarantee you that he, and ever other law professor at my school, would back my side, not yours.
So do you care to take me up on that bet, or not? Are you willing to test your interpretation of 'natural born citizen' against some actual, educated Constitutional professors?
Educated huh, oooooh wow! I suppose you think they are going find Obama a NBC? And If they did, I'm very certain they did not look or give 'original intent' any consideration.
Where does it say that? And what is your proof that it was altered?
Aw, c'mon NS...is that the biggest JPEG of the COLB you've got? I've got one three times that size, with the certificate number unobscured:
Any alterations should be all the more evident on an image this size.
You guys are the biggest Tards on the Planet and those video’s are way stoopid.
I mean that as a compliment. I was laughing so hard, reminded of some dumb things we did in Oklahoma and building flame throwers with butane and even Wesson oil.
Hilarious until I got to Alabama. That put me to sleep but, I guess you were demonstrating your job and you are proud of it.
Great videos! Too funny. Would not have messed with the propane tank though.
LOL
Only trolls use the marxists at factcheck for anything.
That sounds like a good tagline. :)
I think you're reading into Land's statement what you want to hear. For one thing, anything Carter decides is far outside Land's jurisdiction. There is nothing in this long and entertaining sanction of Orly Taitz that has any value as a precedent for subsequent lawsuits.
For another thing, Land was telling Orly Taitz what a real lawyer would have tried to argue ... "so hand over the $20k and STFU."
It is simply impossible to break through some folks' fantasies. I don't think Judge Land could have used a bigger hammer than he did, but even so he obviously has failed to dent the preconceptions of a few true believers.
True believers that KNOW what a lying marxist sack of poop Obama is. Or the true believers that think everything is just fine and on the up and up with their hero’s birth circumstances.
It should be hers.
Well, you've got to admit.... it's par for the course for the Prince of Peace....
So you can't produce any evidence as requested apart from what Obama wrote in his own memoir in 1995. Noted.
LoL! Obama didn't announce to run for the presidency until what - 2006. No one took the Kenyan clown seriously at the time. Every silly pundit thought someone like Hillary would be the DemoCrap nominee.
What do you mean no one took him seriously? Out of seven candidates, he was always the frontrunner of the the six who weren't Hillary. And in January 2008, he handily won the Iowa Caucus, almost tied Clinton in New Hampshire, and won overwhelmingly in South Carolina. Yet it *still* wasn't until June that anyone started his eligibility. And it wasn't Hillary, who had the most to gain from disqualifying him, who ever raised the issue.
I think my above explanation covers it quite well. No one gave the Kenyan a serious look and the government/Demo loving press gave him cover.
I see. The Republican President and members of Congress gave him cover? His Republican opponents in the election gave him cover? The folks at Fox gave him cover? Heck, you're suggesting that the folks at WorldNetDaily gave him cover? WND was always fully aware that his father was Kenyan, but even they never alleged that that fact alone made him ineligible at any time prior to the election.
The real question is Obama a NBC? -- and that's a resounding no - noway, nohow, nope. As for Bubba, irrelevant here and truly care for the particulars.
Sure it's relevant. I'm trying to understand what your theory of natural born citizenship is. You've stated that NBCs *must* have two citizen parents. You've also stated that they must not have dual citizenships at birth. But a child can have dual citizenships while having two citizen parents, or a child could be born of a non-citizen parent yet have only U.S. citizenship. You say that you're presenting the definitive definition of an NBC, but your definition's details are inconsistent over time. If the definition is so clear-cut, it should be straightforward to say whether someone with circumstances identical to Bubba's is a NBC or not. If you can't, it suggests a rather gaping flaw in your theory.
Educated huh, oooooh wow! I suppose you think they are going find Obama a NBC?
Indeed I do. In fact, you'll find that virtually all people who've gone to law school will say the same thing. My fellow associate is the most conservative person I know (he even bought Glenn Beck's latest book yesterday), he hates Obama with a passion, and even he admits that Obama is a natural born citizen. Are there any lawyers in this thread who claim that Obama's not?
All of which doesn't alter the fact that Orly Taitz is a total whackadoodle, and the fools who keep slobbering on about her are, well, fools.
Unlike you, who loves the marxist POS and uses Media Matters and FactCheck talking points.
Oh, grow up, pissy.
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