Posted on 10/13/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer personally attacks opposing parties and disrespects the integrity of the judiciary, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer recklessly accuses a judge of violating the Judicial Code of Conduct with no supporting evidence beyond her dissatisfaction with the judges rulings, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law, that lawyer ceases to advance her cause or the ends of justice.
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Regrettably, the conduct of counsel Orly Taitz has crossed these lines, and Ms. Taitz must be sanctioned for her misconduct. After a full review of the sanctionable conduct, counsels conduct leading up to that conduct, and counsels response to the Courts show cause order, the Court finds that a monetary penalty of $20,000.00 shall be imposed upon counsel Orly Taitz as punishment for her misconduct, as a deterrent to prevent future misconduct, and to protect the integrity of the Court. Payment shall be made to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerks Office, within thirty days of todays Order. If counsel fails to pay the sanction due, the U.S. Attorney will be authorized to commence collection proceedings.
(Full Order at the link.)
And this this case is relevant how....?
Suppose that the Republic of Togo's legislature, or whatever the hell they have, voted to consider all Americans to be citizens of Togo. Would anyone be eligible to be president?
If you go back to when Vattel was first cited as THE authority on the issue, it all "started" with John Jay's letter and his reliance in other writings on Vattel.
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure nobody was citing Vattel as an authority for Obama's eligibility prior to September 2008, about three months after the allegations gained popularity. Then when Vattel and his quote were discovered, he was elevated to being the patron saint of birtherdom.
In other words, just as with the search for evidence supporting 'born in Kenya' took months to bear fruit, the 'two-citizen parent' theory circulated for months before anybody dug up Vattel's quote to support the theory. Not the other way around.
Judge Land describing himself?
We believe you. Of course 30 years ago things were different. Today we have terrorism and identity theft. And now new laws have to be added because we have a usurper president. Things change.
Short forms are traceable in records even years back. You just snail mailed for them to the county where the BC was issued.
What year was your licensed issued in Texas?
Don’t ask, don’t Vattel
Whatever happened to the age-of-his-mother issue? Something like she was not old enough to establish his citizenship so the father’s citizenship was the determinant. Not sure if I worded the question correctly.
2005
I've been saying this for ages. I even posited the hypothetical here a couple of weeks back. I got this as a response: "you chose to posit a ridiculous hypothetical. Lets play....what are the odds that the UK will grant everyone born in the US dual citizenship?"
Discovery in progress, includes the discovery of who the Founders actually took as references in establishing the magnificent charter of government called the Constitution.
Happy Columbus Day add one.
Would you like to know what happened when I inquired on your highschool diploma?
That would apply only if he was born in Kenya.
Thanx.
Axelwrong? LOL! As far as I can tell, my interpretation is currently the Law of the Land while your crackpot theories are a million miles from ever being heard in a courtroom.
But, hey, keep spinnin'! You Birthers have been dead wrong 100% of the time. Why stop now?
uh huh.
Answer to your 730 comment which was “Whoever wrote that obviously is not familiar with the Ark case and the Elg case.”, the scotus wrote it and i posted the link to the case.
Nonsense, read the entire thing. They were referencing the definition of the First Congress in 1790 and that was the two parent definition. Here is the resolution in its entirety:
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a natural born Citizen of the United States;
Whereas the term natural born Citizen, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to American citizens serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their countrys President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the natural born Citizen clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congresss own statute defining the term natural born Citizen;
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born Citizen under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
Wow! Land actually admits that he is protecting Obammer from the law. Damn!
Nonsense by you again. I gave you plenty of evidence that Obama is not a NBC and not eligible to be president that encompasses more than the alleged Kenyan birth.
Isn't the usual argument that Obama is wasting TOO MUCH money on these lawsuits? Having them go to trial would cost MORE!
No, Obama spent a small fortune of campaign funds and the country paying his donkey butt for Gov. lawyers - he would spend less if he would have let this go to trail. Get it over with now.
And side-stepping the lack of actual, substantive evidence supporting the 'born in Kenya' theory, in order to shift focus back to dual citizenship, isn't topic-shifting?
No again and again. The subject here is about Obama not being a natural born citizen. Palin and Nader are not.
So is the requirement 'two citizen parents' or 'no dual citizenships at birth'? They aren't the same thing, after all. Someone could fail to satisfy only one, or both. For instance, Bubba Ho-Tep stated earlier in this thread he was born a dual citizen, and he was assured that he was still as NBC because both his parents were citizens.
Assured by who? Oh a Bubba told you so. LoL! Here the chance to prove Bubba is right!! Get Obama to hear if he really is an NBC on the merits - start the trail.
If I'm going to ask my professors for clarification on the definition, I need to know which definition you're alleging is the true one.
Make sure you get a Lefty Socialist Commie one. He will tell you what you want to hear. I suggest Professor William Ayers.
1. I believe the correct spelling is "pooh-pooh".
2. While the fact that Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen may be relevant to Obama's NBC status, the mere fact that Obama held dual citizenship should not be an eliminating factor. A foreign country might arbitrarily grant automatic citizenship at birth to classes of Americans who did not ask for it.
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