New Way to Tap Gas May Expand Global Supplies

NY Times ^ | October 10, 2009 | CLIFFORD KRAUSS

[GeronL]

This will have to be banned of course.

[The Antiyuppie]

“Hey .. We have Plenty of GAS we can tap and it’s all coming out of Washington.”

True, but it all stinks.

[1010RD]

Now that’s bipartisan of you! What a maverick! Crossing the isle to form consensus! Moderate!

[1010RD]

Why should we have it better than some Neanderthal? It’s not like we won or anything!

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Yesss!! It is my wish to accomodate prosperity for all, hope for some, change for the many, with the universal peace that only a new understanding, an understanding that for too long, we have at times been too arrogant to see. Because we can no longer accept the status quo even as we face the challenges of the naysayers whom we will be only too happy to put a cap in their asses.

[kidd]

This is a really curious article

1) You are essentially correct...burning natural gas produces water and CO2...both of which are “greenhouse” gasses.

2) Odd that the article refers to the supplies as “Global” Supplies...why not just say that it will increase “Supplies” (without “Global”)

3) This is not a new method

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Assuming that the NYT is a mouthpiece for the Democrat party, I would tend to think that this non-news article is setting up a fall back position for the case that cap-and-tax legislation fails. Obama can still be made the hero by promoting a technology (one that already exists and does nothing for his cause).

[plinyelder]

LOL

True, It Does Stink ‘but’ I can attest to the fact that it Does Indeed .. burn rather well. 8)

[FreedomPoster]

It strikes me as a bogus statement by a technically ignorant reporter.

How bad do you want to know? Should I dredge up my Thermo text (chapter on combustion chemistry) and run some numbers?

[chuck_the_tv_out]

Methane CH4. Oil has more carbons for each hydrogen. Both parts give out energy when burnt in oxygen.

Not that it matters though. We want MORE CO2. Archeology shows the plants used to be much more lush in the past. Bigger, more fruitful, because of more CO2.

Globaloney is just a lie to perpetuate the same old leftist biases. Same stuff they were pushing in the 60s/70s.

[backhoe]

[familyop]

"What’s most important is that we forbid ourselves to use this method of tapping nat gas while showing the rest of the world how to do it. For the children."

Agreed with the irony and sarcasm. Most affluent people of both political parties near energy deposits are stopping such developments for fear that they will put scary peasants to work, live and breed in their areas. ...recently and closely watched two such NIMBY ("not in my backyard") political shutdowns of exploratory drilling.

It's a Malthusian coveting thing with elements of Disney-ism.

[familyop]

"THE NO ZONE"

Oh, I see. Not within sight of the welfare-sucking, unionizing beach peasants in their little shanties around the coasts.

[Little irony, sarcasm and humor there. We'll drill after they move to their preferred countries of commie slaves, where they can be free.]

[Sherman Logan]

The ecosphere is already saturated with water. You may have noticed those miles deep thingies called oceans covering 3/4 of the earth’s surface.

It is debatable whether increasing CO2 by 10% or 20% by burning hydrocarbons will make a difference in the earth’s temperature. It is not debatable that adding water vapor will NOT make a difference.

When there is room for more water vapor in the air, liquid water evaporates to provide it.

[Erik Latranyi]

I live in the Marcellus Shale region in PA.

The drilling is taking place, but the NIMBYs and liberals are trying to find any reason to setuop roadblocks to drilling.

Even the state (Gov Fast Eddie Rendell) proposed higher taxes on the natural gas drilling industry....an industry in its infacy in Pennsylvania. Oh, he also proposed a technology tax on that young industry as well.

Watching all this take place illustrates why states like Pennsylvania have negative industrial growth.

[The Wizard]

and you can convert your car for about $250 IF the EPA didn’t charge $10,000 foir a permit to do it.

[Steven Tyler]

Sorry, no debate-increasing the amount of CO2 by 20 % will have zero impact
CO2 is about 400 parts per million of the atmosphere.
That is less than 1/2 of a unit per 1000
If a yard stick was a chunk of atmosphere, CO2 would take up 1/32 of an inch.
20 % of diddly squat = diddly squat.

[dusttoyou]

Sorry to point to the tinfoil cap, but shale NG exploration in the US has been extensive in the past few years and without any obvious extraordinary GOV hindrance. Currently shale and other NG exploration and production is down because of low NG prices for the time being.

[wolf78]

Since they all produce CO2, does anybody knows the basis of this claim?

High school chemistry: Coal is mostly carbon in the form of aromatic rings, natural gas is mostly methane (CH4). You take the binding energy of carbon and oxygen vs. the binding energy of 4-to-1 hydrogen / oxygen and carbon / oxygen and subtract the energy necessery to crack the coal / methane in the first place. Then you normalize for the same energy content, which gives you the ratio of carbon intensity.

[verity]

A new technique that tapped previously inaccessible supplies of natural gas.....

Is this in reference to your chili recipe?

[Squantos]

No beans in real chili my friend.