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New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
Zero Hedge ^ | 10/5/09

Posted on 10/05/2009 11:14:55 AM PDT by FromLori

New York State is quickly becoming the next California, as tax revenues drop 36% from 2008 levels, and a dejected governor expressing his frustration with policy measures that continue to not bear fruit. As a reminder the state most reliant on the financial sector, is struggling with a $2.1 billion budget deficit that is still looming despite tax increases, federal aid and spending cuts.

New York State’s income tax revenue has dropped 36 percent from the same period in 2008, Governor David Paterson said, “frustrating” his attempt to close a projected $2.1 billion budget deficit.

“We added personal income tax, which we thought would make the falloff 10 percent to 15 percent,” Paterson, a Democrat, said on CNBC today, referring to $5.2 billion in new or increased taxes. “This is what is so frustrating. It’s still 36 percent, meaning our revenues fell more in 2009 than they did in 2008.”

The budget will still be $2.1 billion in deficit because spending plans exceed revenue projections, the state Division of Budget said July 30. The report predicted deficits of $4.62 billion in 2011, $13.3 billion in 2012 and $18.2 billion in 2013. The Governor, who has recently had a major falling out with President Obama, may be in even more hot water as hopes for major tax windfalls from corporate taxes vanish due to generous NOLs established during last year's financial collapse:

“We are Ground Zero for the economic recession,” said Paterson. “What we’re recognizing now is what everybody recognizes in their own portfolio: you can’t overinvest in one area because, if it fails, you’ll have a debacle.”

New York is depleting its options for balancing the budget, Paterson said.

“What we want to do is bring the legislature back as soon as possible and make the tough decisions,” Paterson said. Alas expenses tend to be much "stickier" than revenues, meaning that even much more drastic cost cutting will likely still leave the state at the mercy of Federal handouts. And if California's IOU experiment is any indication, Paterson may want to promptly get on the President's good side before he is forced to ask for much needed assistance.

Also, another issue that is not receiving much airtime is the continued dire straits that New York's MTA finds itself in. From the most recent status update: "the program has a funding gap of $9.9 billion despite a large increase in State aid and a 56 percent increase in anticipated federal funding, which may not materialize. In the absence of additional aid, the MTA plans to fill the gap with debt, but debt service would then rise rapidly and increase pressure in the future to raise fares and tolls." Yet another aspect of the state economy that is intimately linked with well-bid debt markets, which in turn track the equity market tick for tick, explaining once again how much the administration has staked on a stock market that, miraculously, is not allowed to leg lower by any material amount. However, as long as analyst actions, such as today's by Goldman in which it effectively upgraded itself, continue to drive markets, the plan to keep equities at untenable and fundamentally unjustified levels, will be viable to keep the economy running. Even if it is based on smoke and mirrors.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; california; democrats; economicdisaster; economy; failedstates; laffercurve; newyork; taxcheatparty; taxes
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To: FromLori

Among other reasons, I left NY because of high taxes.
Now NY gets no taxes from me.
Funny how that works.


61 posted on 10/05/2009 12:19:17 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: FromLori

N.Y. tax revenues drop 36%?
Soo go spend more money ya govt. fools.


62 posted on 10/05/2009 12:20:13 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84 (FUBO))
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To: Seruzawa

40%


63 posted on 10/05/2009 12:21:16 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: pnh102

All the beady eyed individual must do is tax the rich more and revise the rich to be anyone who has a job as Democrats “progressed” to do in the past! What’s the problem here?! The State is so lovely and good, no cost is too much!/s/


64 posted on 10/05/2009 12:22:46 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TChris

“The question I have never heard addressed: Why is it a government’s function to maximize tax revenues anyway? “

because you don’t want the govt go into debt


65 posted on 10/05/2009 12:23:38 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“We need healthcare now. sarc”

That is the only SMART decision of progress! We need more “free” stuff now more than ever./s/


66 posted on 10/05/2009 12:24:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: FromLori

Yeah, but they didn’t need the rich such as Rush Limbaugh, there spending money and paying taxes, right? LMAO


67 posted on 10/05/2009 12:26:01 PM PDT by Freddd
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To: ari-freedom
because you don’t want the govt go into debt

Without spending discipline, no amount of revenue will ever be enough.

The focus should be on limiting spending to a few, well-definied and legitimate purpoases, then raising only the revenue necessary to cover that.

68 posted on 10/05/2009 12:34:13 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: TChris; ari-freedom

Pardon the rogue letter ‘a’...


69 posted on 10/05/2009 12:35:07 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Likewise, I’m glad I don’t give NYS any more taxes. Too bad upstate is the unlucky siamese twin to downstate.


70 posted on 10/05/2009 12:41:09 PM PDT by DesertConservative
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To: FromLori
We added personal income tax, which we thought would make the falloff 10 percent to 15 percent,” Paterson, a Democrat, said on CNBC today, referring to $5.2 billion in new or increased taxes. “This is what is so frustrating. It’s still 36 percent, meaning our revenues fell more in 2009 than they did in 2008.”

New York needs to quit taking silly half measures, instead of small tax increases, immediately raise taxes to pay for the whole 36% falloff.

With any luck, they'll drive more evil rich conservatives out of New York, just as they drove out Rush Limbaugh. Once the evil rich are driven out New York will be a Shangri-La.
/S

71 posted on 10/05/2009 12:53:10 PM PDT by RJL
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To: TChris

well of course you have to have spending discipline. What you don’t want is the philosophy of cutting taxes while ignoring the deficit.


72 posted on 10/05/2009 12:54:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: SkyPilot

Jeez, NYC teachers already make over $70k a year.


73 posted on 10/05/2009 1:11:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Thud

fyi


74 posted on 10/05/2009 1:11:51 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Little Ray

Not to mention Madoff.


75 posted on 10/05/2009 1:12:36 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: FromLori

Gov, take my advice, 75% tax on all citizens making more than $100,000, you coffers will flood, public works will increase and you’ll be a hero! (for about a month!)


76 posted on 10/05/2009 1:14:51 PM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I am heavily invested in such businesses.


77 posted on 10/05/2009 1:24:21 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: FromLori; Clemenza; Clintonfatigued; perfect_rovian_storm; campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; ...

Gee whiz, did Paterson see this coming ?


78 posted on 10/05/2009 1:24:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

We will have fifty “next Californias” by the time the leftys get through installing the Obama Utopia system.


79 posted on 10/05/2009 1:42:34 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: FromLori
Just more of the planned destruction of the American economy and America by the communist usurper in the White House.

After the collapse, Obama and his minions will offer the American people "change they can believe in", also called fascism/socialism. The American people will gladly accept it.

80 posted on 10/05/2009 1:43:01 PM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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