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Expert: Saakashvilli started the war
Russia Today (on You Tube) ^ | Sept. 30, 2009 | Russia Today interview

Posted on 09/30/2009 10:56:59 PM PDT by GWConservative

From RT on YouTube: A new EU report may finally answers the question as to which country started the Russo-Georgian war in August 2008. The European Union conducted a nine-month investigation into the issue and has concluded that it was Georgia, more specifically Saakashvili, who triggered the conflict. So why was the U.S. Government, along with the mainstream media, so intent on blaming Russia for the war? And what will these new revelations mean for Georgian relations with the United States and Europe? RT's Dina Gusovsky talks to Tsotne Bakuria, former member of the Georgian Parliament.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; ossetia; russia; saakashvilli; war
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Ok, this is Russian PR and an interview with a former Georgian official regarding their civil war last year which apparently was launched as the Olympics were starting up in Beijing. Russia entered Ossetia and Georgia a day or so later or so they say.
1 posted on 09/30/2009 10:56:59 PM PDT by GWConservative
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To: GWConservative

Your right, Russian PR bluster.

Furthermore, the EU Report is about as valid as the UN’s Goldstone Report. =.=


2 posted on 09/30/2009 11:01:11 PM PDT by cranked
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To: GWConservative

They’re right. Georgia started the war when they returned fire.


4 posted on 09/30/2009 11:09:34 PM PDT by marron
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To: GWConservative

Yes, and David started the war with Goliath too...


5 posted on 09/30/2009 11:09:46 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: americanophile

Europe knows the deal.

6 posted on 09/30/2009 11:15:36 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: americanophile

According to the libs, the Israelites should have been happy to stay as slaves in Egypt. They had no business being there in the promised land. They invariably will also put “promised land” in quotes.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 11:45:23 PM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: GWConservative

Russia’s in full court pres with this because all their other claims have been found to be less than accurate. Essentially it’s a technical foul. Georgia took the first shot but Russia set it up to be an inevitability by stoking separatism and refusing to pull their peacekeepers.


8 posted on 10/01/2009 4:36:57 AM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: GWConservative; F15Eagle
From SkyNews, August 10, 2008

"The crisis was sparked earlier this week when Georgia sent troops into the breakaway province of South Ossetia to quell a Russian-backed separatist uprising."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Russia-On-Verge-Of-All-Out-War-As-Troops-Clash-In-Georgias-South-Ossetia/Article/200808215074261?lpos=World%2BNews_4&lid=ARTICLE_15074261_Russia%2BOn%2BVerge%2BOf%2BAll-Out%2BWar%2BAs%2BTroops%2BClash%2BIn%2BGeo
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From the New York Times, September 15, 2008
Georgia Offers Fresh Evidence on War’s Start

Russia has not disputed the veracity of the phone calls, which were apparently made by Ossetian border guards on a private Georgian cellphone network. “Listen, has the armor arrived or what?” a supervisor at the South Ossetian border guard headquarters asked a guard at the tunnel with the surname Gassiev, according to a call that Georgia and the cellphone provider said was intercepted at 3:52 a.m. on Aug. 7.

“The armor and people,” the guard replied. Asked if they had gone through, he said, “Yes, 20 minutes ago; when I called you, they had already arrived.”

Shota Utiashvili, the director of the intelligence analysis team at Georgia’s Interior Ministry, said the calls pointed to a Russian incursion. “This whole conflict has been overshadowed by the debate over who started this war,” he said. “These intercepted recordings show that Russia moved first and that we were defending ourselves.”

The recordings, however, do not explicitly describe the quantity of armor or indicate that Russian forces were engaged in fighting at that time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/world/europe/16georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

9 posted on 10/01/2009 4:59:00 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: GWConservative; cranked; F15Eagle; americanophile; Bogey78O; ETL
Georgian claims of intercepting Russian movements was proven false. Georgian claims they invaded to stem a Russian invasion have been proven false. Saakashivili invaded because he thought the Russians would not react because just a few months before Georgia attacked and took back - without blood shed - two small separatist regions and Russia did nothing then either so Saakashivili thought he could move in and dislodge the separatists there during the Olympics. The problem/miscalculation he had was that Russia did not care about those other regions that Georgia took back.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-42816620091001

Georgia started war with Russia - EU-backed report

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year's five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow's military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law.

10 posted on 10/02/2009 1:32:52 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: GWConservative

Ah, I long to see the day where Russophiles are treated like pedophiles on this site...


11 posted on 10/02/2009 1:35:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: GWConservative; cranked; F15Eagle; americanophile; Bogey78O; ETL

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5114401.ece

From The Sunday Times

November 9, 2008

Georgia fired first shot, say UK monitors

Two former British military officers are expected to give crucial evidence against Georgia when an international inquiry is convened to establish who started the country’s bloody five-day war with Russia in August.

Ryan Grist, a former British Army captain, and Stephen Young, a former RAF wing commander, are said to have concluded that, before the Russian bombardment began, Georgian rockets and artillery were hitting civilian areas in the breakaway region of South Ossetia every 15 or 20 seconds.

Their accounts seem likely to undermine the American-backed claims of President Mikhail Saakashvili of Georgia that his little country was the innocent victim of Russian aggression and acted solely in self-defence.

During the war both Grist and Young were senior figures in the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). The organisation had deployed teams of unarmed monitors to try to reduce tension over South Ossetia, which had split from Georgia in a separatist struggle in the early 1990s with Russia’s support.


12 posted on 10/02/2009 1:37:03 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777
Still trying to convince people Georgia attacked Russia, tovarisch? The whole world has seen the mad dog Russia's naked revanchist genocidal neo-Soviet aggression! The enemy is unmasked!
13 posted on 10/02/2009 1:37:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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I don't have to convince anyone - they can read the EU report and the testimony of two former British military officers by the names of Ryan Grist, a former British Army captain, and Stephen Young, a former RAF wing commander who corroborated the Russian claims.

I will take the testimony of British officers and gentlemen over your views any day.

14 posted on 10/02/2009 1:41:37 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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For the record, Nikas777, what do you think personally of KGB Putin?


15 posted on 10/02/2009 1:52:24 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

“All Hail Holy Crusader Putin! Hail the Holy Rodina! Down with USA! Down with Boosh!” /Putinista


16 posted on 10/02/2009 1:54:36 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ETL

My opinion of Putin is that I rather have him on my side in a street fight than against me.


17 posted on 10/02/2009 1:58:02 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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Russia didn’t learn their lesson the first time they unleashed the Chechens on Georgia, in the early nineties, when Shamil Basayev led an “Abkhaz Battalion” in Georgia who played football with the severed head of Christian Georgians. In return Basayev gave Russia the Beslan massacre. Now evil Russia sent its jihadist Chechen animals back into Georgia again to rape and pillage and massacre. God damn Russia!


18 posted on 10/02/2009 1:59:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Nikas777

I’d rather be on America’s side. Unlike yourself.


19 posted on 10/02/2009 2:00:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Nikas777
My opinion of Putin is that I rather have him on my side in a street fight than against me.

Because he's a dirty and ruthless no-rules SOB?

20 posted on 10/02/2009 2:08:46 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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