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Obama's ploy claim Afghanistan as Nato's responsibility then cut and run. Obama's political expedience knows no bounds.
1 posted on 09/30/2009 9:11:52 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey
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To: Typical_Whitey

Exactly. He apparently convinced the NATO guy to sign up for this responsibility. Now Obama can pull out and feel clean about it.


2 posted on 09/30/2009 9:13:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
"This is not a American battle, this is a NATO mission," ?


3 posted on 09/30/2009 9:16:28 AM PDT by McGruff (Go rogue baby, go rogue!)
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Oh, so the US troops dying there are NATO troops. Well, that makes it easier on the families that lose their sons, daughters, wives, husbands, dads, moms, and soldiers.

This man is an utter buffoon. I am actually outraged about this bullbleep.

4 posted on 09/30/2009 9:17:22 AM PDT by Carling (Gatesgate: Obama's Waterloo)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Exactly he is as slick as a snake.But this move will really tick off all of the weirdo green tree loving anti-war pro communism looney lefties.


6 posted on 09/30/2009 9:18:37 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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That’s right pass the buck you idiotic pu$$y.

Last I checked, those planes didn’t slam into NATO headquarters, but into the Pentago and the WTC.

Its clear this guy grew up without a father, because he’s clearly not had the smacks to the back of the head he’s needed.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 9:20:41 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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“U.N. LAWYERS TARGET U.S. TROOPS”

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=337473733467144

“Justice: As if fighting a war in Afghanistan isn’t hard enough, ambitious global prosecutors have rolled into Kabul looking to charge U.S. troops. Intentional or not, such legalism will sap U.S. morale as it did in Vietnam.

At about the time NATO’s new secretary-general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, warned NATO’s European members against an early pullout, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the top prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, whose body is charged with looking for international war criminals, announced he was looking for new “clients” from anyone with a grievance in Afghanistan.

At a briefing Wednesday in The Hague, Moreno-Ocampo said he had launched a new war crimes inquiry, seeking information about “torture” especially — a European obsession — and had already mined the human rights groups for stories. He added he was also “very open” to more information from foreign governments.

Oh, he’d been evenhanded in his Monday-morning battlefield quarterbacking of course, promising he’d prosecute both Taliban and NATO troops as moral equals.

But it doesn’t take a genius to know what the spotlight-loving attorney (who once launched his own reality TV show back in Argentina) is really after: Americans in the dock as war criminals.

The atmosphere that makes a prosecutor like Moreno-Ocampo ambitious enough to go after Americans instead of a real monster like, say, Fidel Castro, can only occur when the West’s will has weakened, as Rasmussen warned.

After all, if a war to defend our civilization can be reduced to a series of police-brutality cases, then Afghanistan isn’t about victory.

This is underscored by Washington’s conflicting aims.

Though our president has rightly boosted the number of troops in Afghanistan, he’s created a climate of doubt by declaring the war on terror an “overseas contingency operation” and stating he doesn’t believe in “winning.” It’s poison for morale and gives momentum to the kind of bureaucratic, legalistic and defeatist thinking that preceded our bitter pullout in Vietnam.

Moreno-Ocampo’s entry into Afghanistan is a sign that legalism has begun to overtake victory as a goal, at a time when our Taliban foes still believe in victory.

On the battlefield, our troops are increasingly constrained by legalistic rules of engagement.

Case in point: On Tuesday, four U.S. Marines and seven of their Afghani allies walked into a well-planned ambush and were killed in the Kunar province near the Pakistani border.

“We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We’ve lost today,” Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, told his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter’s repeated demands for helicopters, McClatchy Newspapers reported.

Rules of engagement condemned them to die because they couldn’t get air cover.

According to McClatchy: “U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren’t near the village.”

Meanwhile, all pullout talk condemned those U.S. troops, too.

Ground intelligence sources who might have warned them were reportedly more fearful of Taliban retaliation than convinced that American troops would be able to defend them, given the weakening will of the West. They opted to survive.

Now, the latest legalistic block against winning is an international prosecutor looking for NATO troops to prosecute.

Back in 2002, President Bush told the ICC that there wouldn’t be any of that, and he rescinded the U.S. signature from the Rome Statute that would have opened the door to that. Today, there’s a legal battle going on at the ICC to make U.S. troops subject to doing it and there’s no signal from the White House that it will stop it.

Don’t think Moreno-Ocampo won’t do it. His history as a prosecutor suggests an affinity for publicity over justice, which is just what the anti-American crowd wants.

(snip)Someone like that won’t hesitate for a minute to make a big show of putting U.S. troops in the dock for “war crimes” no matter what the impact in Afghanistan. That’s defeat.
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Then there is this little tidbit:

0’s Giant Ego is too busy trying to be king of the World. He has no time to be bothered with what could be avoidable deaths of American servicemen.

Besides, he’s proving his qualifications to head up the “Security Council” (excuse my utter hysterical laughter!) to the America hating dweebs at the U.N..:

“Obama to seal US-UN relationship”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2334897/posts


11 posted on 09/30/2009 9:26:45 AM PDT by 444Flyer ( "Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers."--Mignon McLaughlin)
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“This alliance will stay united and we will stay in Afghanistan as long as it takes to finish our job.”
NATO Secretary-General Rasmussen

Hmmm...others are stepping up to filling the role of ‘Leader of the Free World’ which obama is running away from.

Sarkozy stepped up to fill the role a couple of days ago regarding iran.


13 posted on 09/30/2009 9:30:19 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a Daffy Duck)
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I swear...if Obama claimed the sky was blue I’d reflexively disagree. The man hasn’t said one thing in 9 months that I’ve agreed with!


15 posted on 09/30/2009 9:36:39 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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This is not simply political expediency.

When will America “get it?” Obama wants the Taliban and other Islamic terrorists to win and the US to lose.

It's that simple!

22 posted on 09/30/2009 10:02:00 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick leftists when they're down. Wait till they're half way back up. You get better leverage!)
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Barry shows that he is exactly what Sarkoszy claims: “Incredibly naive.”

The Europeans and NATO want no parts of Afghanistan and if they really had their way, they would pull their troops with due haste.

Therefore, Mr. Annointed idiotic moron, Afghanistan is indeed an “American battle.”

Either unchain the hand of the military, which you have blatantly bound by your pathetic rules of engagement, and let them fight to win or PULL THE OUR TROOPS OUT NOW!


23 posted on 09/30/2009 10:07:55 AM PDT by cranked
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I HAVE to be missing something here. He has done a complete about face on his Afghanistan position that he campaigned on.

But why?

Since every statement and decision he makes is political, how does he personally benefit from this? Is he pandering to the far left base?

There is something here I'm not getting.

24 posted on 09/30/2009 10:15:24 AM PDT by johniegrad
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Typical BO, spread the blame around in case things don’t work out!

The one thing BO’S an expert in is CYA!!


29 posted on 09/30/2009 10:29:06 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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30 posted on 09/30/2009 10:29:43 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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It tool Emanuel & Co THIS long to come up with that silly bit of weaseling?

They’re off their game, man.

Usually, they’d be able to come up with something as lame as this within hours, maybe minutes.


33 posted on 09/30/2009 10:47:58 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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What this tells me is that Obama is feeling the weight of the world on his shoulders and he just can’t handle the pressure, hence his weak attempt to “share” the responsibility.

Pathetic.


34 posted on 09/30/2009 11:05:10 AM PDT by PAR
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This guy is like Pete Puma.

39 posted on 09/30/2009 11:35:43 AM PDT by egannacht
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US Congress Approves Tripling Of Aid To Pakistan
Last update: 9/30/2009 2:50:49 PM


43 posted on 09/30/2009 11:52:53 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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Obama needs to be kicked out of office.


49 posted on 09/30/2009 1:23:06 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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NATO will be so pleased ... Wow Bobo, you really intend to try to put that paralogism over on your left flank?
52 posted on 09/30/2009 1:56:38 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (\)
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Whatever, he still needs to decide if he wants the battle.

56 posted on 09/30/2009 3:29:59 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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