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Posted on 09/28/2009 8:12:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Sept 27, 2009 — What would Darwin do? Just in time for the 150th anniversary of The Origin of Species, his magnum opus has been reprinted with an introduction not by a scientist or historian, but by a Christian evangelist. He and a Christian movie actor are trying to get their special edition to students at major universities. Talk about brashness. Darwin’s defenders are stepping on themselves to condemn this – well, blasphemy...
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Is that your way of admitting that whole genome duplication has never been observed?
In the context of creation your words and intent stand for themselves. You can call me names if you like, but plagiarism would only apply had I claimed works as my own. In a chat room like discussion brevity does not always permit full footnoting and disclosure. You can continue to avoid the legitimate questions I place before you, but I will always be here to provide balance and a voice for the majority of Christians who see things differently than you.
1) The bible does NOT state that creation took place in six standard earth days. By your own admission a yom can mean something else.
2) God is omnipotent and not bound by time or your limited ability to perceive beyond your own experience and education.
3) "The question is not to either make a decision for a creationism that fundamentally excludes science, or for an evolutionary theory that covers over its own gaps and does not want to see the questions that reach beyond the methodological possibilities of natural science" Benedict XVI
I am still waiting for you to answer my simple question. I'll ask it again. Is it your contention that yom never refers to a normal length Earth day?
I will as soon as you support your contention that "There is no getting around it, the Bible describes each day of creation as a normal length Earth day." and define a "normal length earth day" in provide the supporting Hebrew words for your units of measure.
There is always a lot more to be learned by what GGG doesn't answer than by his regurgitation of already dispelled responses.
Here’s a plant genome duplication database:
http://chibba.agtec.uga.edu/duplication/index/home
Here’s another on plant polyploidy and the rise of new species.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/iu-gdr081209.php
That's OK, he has a tremendous amount of catchiung up to do, because nowhere will you find in liberal NEA textbooks that evolution IS intelligent design.
I have already answered your question several times. In the specific context of creation, no. Yom does NOT mean 24 hours, it means a light and dark cycle from dawn to dawn or dusk to dusk. There is nothing in the bible that gives any greater granularity.
Why are you afraid to answer such a simple question?
Because it isn't a simple question. If it were you would have run out of things to post about it years ago.
However, if you wish to go off topic and discuss the potential for all possible time intervals between zero and infinity then obviously there will be one point where the yom potential duration curve intersects what ever time interval you have assigned to a "normal earth day" (which, by the way, you still have not specified). However in the context of creation, as defined by the actual verbiage in Genesis, the probability quotient is close enough to zero to achieve unity.
Is that a yes or a no?
That depends on the context. With respect to creation, as I have already answered eight times in this thread, the answer is no. Asking me again nine more times or 99 million more times will not get a different answer.
Now its time for you to answer a question you have already dodged at least six times. Would you concede that God could and did manipulate time on several occasions (Joshua 10:13 where the sun stood still and the moon stopped, 2 Kings 20:9-11 where time ran backwards for Hezekiah) and explain why He would do it for those instances but not for creation?
You are attempting to change the subject. You said in your post #22: "There is no getting around it, the Bible describes each day of creation as a normal length Earth day." I called you on it and now you are off on an unrelated tangent in a vain attempt to salvage some credibility. After we have dealt with your post #22 assertion I would be glad to discuss the rest of the bible.
So let's recap, you have been caught plagiarizing your positions, you have been caught falsely putting words in other FReepers mouths to knock down a strawman of your own making, and now you have been caught refusing to answer a question that you have reason to believe will weaken or destroy your position. One thing is for sure, "natural law" is not the first thing that comes to mind of when I ponder your immoral behavior.
No we were not. We were discussing Creation. You stated a very narrow and unsubstantiated duration for a "day" or a "yom" in creation could only be a standard 24 hour day. By my count in going through the thread I have answered your question nine times. Not giving you the answer you were looking for doesn't mean I haven't answer a question. Let me try one more time using only monosyllables. A yom WAS NOT 24 earth hours long.
If I put any words in your mouth they were your own words. Face it, you have repeatedly dodged and evaded every question posed. If you erred or don't have an answer admit it but don't begin the whole chest thumping, feces throwing thing.
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