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Killer groupies an unexplained mystery
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 9/28/9 | Stefan Tomik

Posted on 09/28/2009 7:43:33 AM PDT by SmithL

Even in his death row cell, satanic serial killer and rapist Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker,"receives bags of mail. And of the dozens of people who try to contact him each year, officials say, about 90 percent are women.

It's not just Ramirez who gets the attention, nor is Scott Peterson alone in the way he attracted admiring women even after he was sentenced to die for killing his wife and unborn child.

Death row prisoners often join the horde of grooms married in group ceremonies such as the one planned Saturday at San Quentin State Prison.

It's a phenomenon that's little understood and seldom studied: Women who fall hopelessly in love - or at the least become wildly infatuated - with the most feared killers.

"Our high notoriety inmates get the most interest," said Lt. Sam Robinson, a San Quentin spokesman. "I have tried to figure this out, but I don't have an answer."

Ramirez was convicted in 1988 of 13 murders and 30 other felonies, among them rape and sodomy. He had terrified Southern California in the mid-1980s and was called "the Night Stalker" because he killed his victims in their beds.

After he was caught and arrested, he met freelance editor Doreen Lioy. In 1988, the year he was convicted, he proposed. They married in the San Quentin visitor waiting room in 1996.

Ramirez had a choice. Other women had proposed to him, and today there are a handful of women who regularly maintain contact.

Some of them write to him or visit him, including a 30-year-old woman from Washington. The woman, who did not want to be identified by The Chronicle, said most relatives don't know about her relationship with Ramirez, although her disapproving husband does.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: groupies; serialkillers
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To: livius; SmithL
I’ve never understood this, although I think that a lot of women have the fantasy of seeing themselves “rescuing” some misguided soul from his awful deeds.

Or these women are sick, twisted freaks who live their violent and deranged fantasies vicariously through these death row inmates.

It's just a thought...

21 posted on 09/28/2009 8:17:52 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SmithL

It’s about celebrity. These women couldn’t get a real ‘celebrity’, but they can get THIS kind.


22 posted on 09/28/2009 8:19:09 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Lazamataz
Posh. I’ve killed millions and I cannot even get a kiss.

But you did it while wearing purple spandex. It just doesn't work that way.

23 posted on 09/28/2009 8:19:23 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Dumpster Baby

I think you are correct, but I would add, for some women, this is a perfect relationship.

They get to have the romantic feelings, exchange love letters, some phone calls and visits, but without the complications of an actual physical relationship.

Obviously I am not describing a majority of women, but I think there are enough of these wounded souls out there.


24 posted on 09/28/2009 8:27:47 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: madinmadtown

OK, so some men are idiots too. :)

FWIW, my wife’s great-grandmother had five husbands over 50 years. Every one of them died as a result of digestive trouble.

This does not appear to run in the family, as I’m still around after 30+ years. :)


25 posted on 09/28/2009 8:31:45 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: SmithL

Just read down a list of movie plots. The perversion of them is shocking, when you really think about it.

Years ago I read Little Women, as a child. In it is a part where Alcott talks about how Jo’s mind starts to become spiritually damaged by her preoccupation with dark things as subjects for her stories.

As a Christian, I often thought of that whenever I read the bible verse, “Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on THESE things.”

Nowadays this is a foreign concept; modernists are concerned with cleaning the earth, but the idea of schooling your thoughts to keep them filled with noble things is considered puritannical and strange.

The bible talks about silly women laden with sins led away by deceitful men. There is a tendency in the nature of mankind to be fascinated by evil, and it can be a deadly character trait. Every so often the worm sticks its head out of the apple and grins.


26 posted on 09/28/2009 8:32:23 AM PDT by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Sherman Logan
Ummmm....what are the odds of that????

Sounds fishy to me.....

27 posted on 09/28/2009 8:32:58 AM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Osage Orange

bttt


28 posted on 09/28/2009 8:33:37 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Lazamataz
Posh. I’ve killed millions and I cannot even get a kiss.

Well duh - you have to kiss them BEFORE you kill them.
29 posted on 09/28/2009 8:36:56 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Bullsh*t)
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To: simonpaul
No mystery at all — evil attracts evil. The bible says sin is luring and those women are attracted to those evil acts. Its also known as projection. This satanist serial killer has quite a lot of power, continueing to lure his victims...

You are exactly right! And it's the same reason so many voted for Obama. Kiss Satan through abortion (30+ years of this demonic tool) and you can consider yourself kissed back.
30 posted on 09/28/2009 9:42:04 AM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: SmithL
"You have to feel sorry for these people as it is always going to end in death," Murphy said.

In reality, Ramirez will probably die of old age before he meets the needle on California's Death Row.

I read a true crime book about Ramirez. What a scumbag. Anyways, there was a woman on his jury who left her husband and children and went to earn her P.I. license just so she could meet with Ramirez face to face for sexual encounters.

He also got his crooked teeth repaired into a gleaming white smile on behalf of California's taxpayers.

31 posted on 09/28/2009 9:57:24 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Sherman Logan

“Every one of them died as a result of digestive trouble.”

Maybe she was just a really bad cook.


32 posted on 09/28/2009 12:57:32 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo

I’m just glad she kicked over before I joined the family.


33 posted on 09/28/2009 1:23:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

My Great Granny did four, there is not a lot of family lore about her. One of my cousins gets down right snippy when I emailed her about her GGranny, I got to go West.


34 posted on 09/28/2009 1:59:45 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Grampa Dave
"Unfortunately, this rescue gene dwells in some men."

It's been dubbed (pun intended) the White Knight Syndrome

35 posted on 09/28/2009 2:06:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks, I sent that link to the parents of the White Knight, we know.


36 posted on 09/28/2009 2:10:18 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: Grampa Dave
There an alternate theory, women are programmed.

When I was a Teen, late 50's early 60's, most of the fights, mating ritual, were provoked by girls looking for the badest protector to share genes with.

When I got back from Viet Nam, as a killer of men, the local Nursing School picked off most of my friends, including me. Women are programmed to seek protection and are dependent on men to give them shelter and protection when the kids come.

Can you Imagine a 125 pound Woman in a fight 250 Man when she is in foal.

37 posted on 09/28/2009 2:22:43 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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