Posted on 09/26/2009 5:34:39 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
US president Barack Obama Saturday, Sept. 26, threatened Iran with confrontation over the secrecy surrounding its nuclear capabilities. He did not rule out military options although he preferred diplomacy. The Iranian president’s own boss made him a liar. After Ahmadinejad claimed Friday the new uranium enrichment plant would start operations in 18 months and Tehran had therefore not broken the nuclear watchdog’s rules for notification, Ali Khamenei’s aide announced Saturday it would become operational “soon” and “make the enemies blind.”
Tehran is clearly confident enough of America’s ability to hold Israel back from striking its nuclear sites to stay defiant and evasive about its nuclear misdeeds.
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“Tehran is clearly confident enough of America’s ability to hold Israel back from striking its nuclear sites to stay defiant and evasive about its nuclear misdeeds.” Better send them the report around the USS Liberty.
Isreal is at the “To be or not to be” junction.
Israel does not need or request Obama’s permission...I hope they tell him to BUZZ OFF!
After the upcoming war (both inside and outside the US), even the clearly thinking-challenged MSM will have to admit that Obama is the most inept human being on this side of the Milky Way.
Oh, and Palan STILL has more experience than he does.
I wonder what we would be doing right now if Iran test fired an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the continental US (sorry Alaska and Hawaii, should have realized long ago that you were not important).
We would give Iran two weeks, but yet we string Israel along so they can be obliterated. I hope all Jewish liberals can sleep at night because they allowed this to happen.
Any President but the “Magic Muslim” would know that it is in our best interest to take out Iran now. (we should have done it years ago) If Israel does it we will be playing catch up for years and the fallout will last far longer than if we worked on our time schedule.
Decapitate Iran now. We will be a hero in the Middle East.
“After the upcoming war (both inside and outside the US), even the clearly thinking-challenged MSM will have to admit that Obama is the most inept human being on this side of the Milky Way.”
It’s a toss up between Bambi and Jimmah.
Watching all this you have to wonder is there ANY war the gutless clowns running the Democrat Party will fight? Given their deliberate undercutting of the American effort since 09-11 I suspect nothing short of a nuke going off inside the DC beltway would get these clowns to actually fight.
God be with Israel.
“MSM admit”
Never. It will never happen.
When the war begins, the MSM will lead with, “Despite brilliant, patient, and untiring efforts by our Dear Leader to bring peace to the Middle East, the Iranians and the Joooooooooooooooos today had at it.
Dear Leader announced that he was “Gravely disturbed and very disappointed” that these two countries had not adequately appreciated his oratorical skills.....blah, blah, blah.”
With Carter, I believe it was mostly ignorance. With Obama I believe his destructive policies are deliberate.
Obama will learn a lesson, the coward bastard.
Did Carter learn a lesson from his dealings with Iran?
Did the anti-war movement learn from the massacre in VietNam after the US withdrawl?
You are a naive fool if you believe liberals ever learn from their mistakes. After all, it is ordinary citizens that end up paying the price...one way or another.
Everything we have to deal with today is the fault of Jimmy Carter and environmentalist.
If after the first oil embargo of the 1970s we told the oil rich nations of the middle east to eat it, and moved to become energy independent, we would not have these problems today.
If we would have exploited the known oil fields then, found new ones, built new refineries, opened both coal and nuclear power stations we would in fact have all the energy we need today.
But more importantly, we would not have sent the trillions of dollars into the middle east for them to turn around and finance terror against us.
The environment is important, but not above survival.
Environmentalist are too extreme to have any say in how we live. We need some balance back in the debate between the need of the people versus pristine environment. I am sure there is a happy medium.
I do nuclear weapons going off is not very good for the environment but that is what the envronmentalist have brought us.
We aren’t going to do shit we the only war we have won is WW 2, Israel will have to act with or with out us, I know the score I flew 88 combat missions in Nam, “naive fool”, I find that an insult dickhead.
Too many Americans in the 1970s were far too smug. They took our comfortable life style and robust economy for granted. They didn’t think anything we did could hurt our economy or inconvenience them. Our grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying for their fecklessness.
Translation: Like some fussy queer, Obama moves the deck chairs slighty to the left...Ahhhh, that's better!
I wonder what the President is doing today? I mean, President BIBI...
Attacking Iran for a 1 - 3 year delay will not be enough. Israel will go well beyond that in my opinion.
Anyone expecting Israel to execute an ordinary sort of attack is mistaken. Circumstances call for something quite extraordinary.
Recent movements by Israeli subs were not sight seeing tours, they almost certainly were dropping munitions on the sea floor for retrieval during a future attack. The subs cannot carry adequate stores of cruise missiles for extended action so they have positioned a supply near Iran.
If Iran were geographically closer Israel could easily use conventional means to totally destroy their nuclear capabilities... but only the United States has the ability to do that, and we all know 0 is not going to step up.
So Israel must do something drastic, simple air strikes with conventional bombs and bunker busters won’t get the job done this time. Israel could of course annihilate Iran using nuclear weapons, but they will not do that unless they are forced to. They will try something else first, something not as drastic as an all out nuclear attack, something very risky and dramatic.
I wrote the following back in May after thinking a long time about what options Israel really has, months later I still can think of no other reasonable option. It is either suffer another holocaust, launch an all out nuclear attack, or try something like this.
Nuclear bunker busters might be used, but even a 400kt device like our B61-11 might have difficulty penetrating to a sufficient depth to contain the blast and thus prevent massive fallout when the blast breached the surface and spewed many tons of radioactive debris into the sky. And although a 400kt or even 1 megaton warhead is a very powerful thing...it is quite weak underground when the target for destruction is a fortified bunker. It would be the shock wave that would need to destroy the bunker and for that a 400kt device would need to detonate very close to the bunker, perhaps as close as 400-700 feet. The problem is that even though you know where the entrances to the bunker are the actual bunker might be anywhere within a mile or so from those entrances. This means you would need to somehow get a precise location of the bunker by placement of seismic sensors ahead of time (listening for the sounds from industrial machinery and determining where the sound originates from)
A much more promising attack would be to take control of all the entrances and exits to such an installation and the surrounding area for an extended time.
To hold such an area from the types of assaults the Iranians could bring to bear would require creating your own hasty underground fortifications near the entrances to the bunker.
Massive mine laying would be required to protect against human-wave attacks such as were used in the Iran/Iraq war.
Iranian missile attacks would be totally ineffective against even hastily made Israeli underground defenses and could be dismissed as a real threat.
Chem/biological weapons would be used and so preparations would need to be made for protection.
It might in extreme circumstances be necessary to use battlefield neutron weapons to keep attacking forces at bay... this would require the Israelis to first actually possess such weapons (likely) and be willing to use them in extreme circumstances (also likely), they would also need to be able to protect themselves from the heavy neutron bombardment...this can be done but is not an easy thing to engineer quickly in the field so preparation would need to be underway immediately upon taking control of the area.
The neutron weapons would be able to immediately incapacitate attackers (even inside tanks) inside a blast radius of about 1/3 mile with a radiation dose of roughly 80 Gy...after such a dose only a very few ‘walking deadmen’ would be able to remain active, and those for a very short time.
The small radiation weapons would release the force of about 1kt compared to a conventional nuclear weapon...this is a very small yield and would pose no threat at all to Israeli soldiers in even rudimentary underground shelter.
The Israeli force would need to be supplied with food and other essentials for a possible extended time...long enough to locate and destroy the Iranian underground installations by placing appropriate charges, nuclear or conventional.
This would certainly call for a dedicated force of extraordinary men....but such men do exist and I’m certain Israel has enough of them to do the job.
If anyone else has a better idea for an Israeli plan of action I’d like to hear it... Diplomacy is a dead end...literally.
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