Posted on 09/25/2009 2:15:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
The suspicion that President Obama was born outside of the United States has been written off as a conspiracy theory, but that hasn't stopped the so-called "birther" movement from keeping their theories alive.
A fundamentalist Christian Web site LivePrayer.com has produced a 28-minute infomercial dedicated to questioning where the president was born. It has run at least once on a CBS affiliate in Lubbock, Texas.
LivePrayer.com was founded by Christian minister Bill Keller, who committed his life to God after spending time in prison for insider trading, according to his site. The infomercial is also the work of attorney Gary Kreep, executive director of the birther group United States Justice Foundation, Talking Points Memo reports. He reportedly said the infomercial will run for at least two and a half weeks on stations around the country.
Mr. Obama has "vigorously fought.. to keep his birth information secret," Keller says in the program. "What is he hiding?"
The half hour spot encourages viewers to call a phone number to add their names to a list petitioning GOP leaders to "force President Obama to obey the law." In thanks for their support, viewers will receive a "Got a birth certificate?" bumper sticker. It also informs viewers that for just $30, they can have a fax sent on their behalf to all 50 state attorneys general and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder demanding they force President Obama to supply his official State of Hawaii birth certificate.
"Join hundreds of thousands of Americans who simply want the truth," Keller says.
Keller may be right about the persistence of the rumor -- a recent poll showed that that 42 percent of Republicans believe Barack Obama was born outside of the United States while 22 percent said they were unsure.
And while the White House has, of course, dismissed the theory as "totally crazy," some Republicans have quietly perpetuated the myth. California Rep. John Campbell co-sponsored a bill (with at least nine others) requiring presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate and refused to give a straight answer when asked whether he believed the president was born in the United States.
Bump!
No, Obama's lawyers have been called into court because other people have sued. They have responded to those suits following standard procedure. Not one case has made it to a phase where evidence would be called for.
"If 0bama was born in Hawaii and his (Daily Kos) COLB was legit, a reasonable person would think that would be one of the first pieces of evidence submitted to the court. Since none of his lawyers are willing to use it as evidence, what conclusion should a reasonable person draw from that?"
A reasonable person would understand that they might not know enough about court procedures, and then would find out that one doesn't present evidence about something that's not being heard. If any of these cases ever made it to trial, THEN there would be a point where the facts of birth would be presented. None have gotten that far.
Apparently the same people who decided it was a “myth” without bothering to investigate any of the facts.
We can just agree to disagree but I learned the hard way that a news paper birth announcement is not prof of anything.
I’ll stick to my wait and see attitude. Like my ex mother in law used to say, “It all comes out in the wash”
You birthers are a vicious group, with the name calling and such. So vicious that you’d all be perfect for the other side. That’s how you’re all viewed anyway, as fools. Utter and complete fools. That, I don’t care about. What I care about is that it taints the party. We all get lumped together as crackpots. Obama’s having the last laugh when he releases his birth certificate, his last day in office. He’s just enough of a ball buster to place it in a full-page Slimes page. You’re making us ALL look like fools.
Speaking lawyer: Obama's lawyers have made motions to dismiss the cases for lack of jurisdiction. (So far, every such motion that has been ruled on has been granted.) When a lawyer moves to dismiss a case for lack of jurisdiction, he cannot submit any evidence, because that would be conceding that the Court has jurisdiction to consider evidence.
Hypothetically, is it better to get the case dismissed for lack of jurisdiction, or produce a document that will put the matter to rest?
You don’t need any help, fool, you’re making yourself look like an utter fool all by yourself. BTW, skippy, you and your obamanoid ilk are the only ones claiming the birther movement is making the Republican party look foolish. Why is that, littleman?
“Ask them if they want to buy some swampland in Florida?”
To what are you refering?
Well it's got to be shown a lie first.
Would one document put the matter to rest? The plaintiffs would demand that forensic document analysts verify the authenticity of the document. They would also demand discovery into Obama's passport files, his college records, his parents' divorce case, and all sorts of things. (Read some of Orly Taitz's court pleadings.) Finally, they would say that even if he was born in Hawaii, Obama still isn't a Natural Born Citizen because both his parents weren't citizens. (This has been alleged in many of the court cases.) The result would be that the court cases would drag on for 4 years or more, all through which Obama's opponents would claim that nothing he did was legitimate because the court hadn't ruled yet.
If I were Obama's lawyer (and I'm not!), I would be doing exactly what he is doing.
Yet every single one of the suits questioning him to date has been thrown out of court. Maybe a law school student could have done as well; what does that say about Obama's competition?
And?
How so?
Sounds rational. Would any court potentially have jurisdiction?
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