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Creationists Given Academic Credit for Trolling
Via LGF ^ | 8/10/09 | Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Posted on 09/24/2009 6:08:52 AM PDT by xcamel

William Dembski, the “intelligent design” creationist who is a professor in philosophy at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, has some rather interesting requirements for students of his creationism courses — 20% of their final grade comes from having written 10 posts promoting ID on “hostile” websites: Academic Year 2009-2010.

Spring 2009

Intelligent Design (SOUTHERN EVANGELICAL SEMINARY #AP 410, 510, and 810; May 11 – 16, 2009)

NEW! THE DUE DATE FOR ALL WORK IN THIS COURSE IS AUGUST 14, 2009. Here’s what you will need to do to wrap things up:

AP410 — This is the undegrad [sic] course. You have three things to do: (1) take the final exam (worth 40% of your grade); (2) write a 3,000-word essay on the theological significance of intelligent design (worth 40% of your grade); (3) provide at least 10 posts defending ID that you’ve made on “hostile” websites, the posts totalling 2,000 words, along with the URLs (i.e., web links) to each post (worth 20% of your grade).

AP510 — This is the masters course. You have four things to do: (1) take the final exam (worth 30% of your grade); (2) write a 1,500- to 2,000-word critical review of Francis Collins’s The Language of God — for instructions, see below (20% of your grade); (3) write a 3,000-word essay on the theological significance of intelligent design (worth 30% of your grade); (4) provide at least 10 posts defending ID that you’ve made on “hostile” websites, the posts totalling 3,000 words, along with the URLs (i.e., web links) to each post (worth 20% of your grade).


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KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; creationists; evolution; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; science
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To: xcamel; metmom
(although Christianity predates modern science by 500 years, it did everything in its power to crush scientific inquiry during the first 1500)

So you are asserting that the scientific method is 2000 years old?(not that I even accept your assertion about crushing)

301 posted on 09/29/2009 6:55:59 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
There was a poll taken here at Free Repbulic on the subject of belief in evolution. Apparently, the results have been lost during a crash, but IIRC the numbers were not favorable to your side of the argument.

Are conservative political principles dependent on belief in YEC? When the Founders formed the political alliance and laid out the political basis for our system of government that we are supposed to be trying to conserve, was that a criteria they used as the basis for that alliance?

302 posted on 09/29/2009 6:57:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: xcamel; metmom
“lost results”... now thats funny.

I'm glad that you are easily humored. But that in no way helps your argument. So again, why are you participating in a discussion you apparently loathe?

303 posted on 09/29/2009 6:59:14 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: tacticalogic
Are conservative political principles dependent on belief in YEC? When the Founders formed the political alliance and laid out the political basis for our system of government that we are supposed to be trying to conserve, was that a criteria they used as the basis for that alliance?

No and no, but your questions are superfluous, since xcamel made an argument using numbers of people holding specific beliefs.

304 posted on 09/29/2009 7:02:37 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC

Just like the average creationist to claim “victory” without any substantiating evidence.

You lose.


305 posted on 09/29/2009 7:05:27 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: AndrewC

You wouldn’t be referring to THIS poll, would you?

Free Republic Poll on Evolution

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts

And it was put forth by an evo, so the questions were certainly not skewed in favor of the creationist side.


306 posted on 09/29/2009 7:05:27 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: xcamel

Don’t get all excited, it just means support, foundation, or buttocks, basis, all with the idea of having everything rest upon it.


307 posted on 09/29/2009 7:06:27 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: AndrewC
No and no, but your questions are superfluous, since xcamel made an argument using numbers of people holding specific beliefs.

Is the entire argument about specific beliefs superfluous?

308 posted on 09/29/2009 7:09:08 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: xcamel
Biblical Christianity is what produced western civiliation [sic], Luddite creationists did not. (although Christianity predates modern science by 500 years, it did everything in its power to crush scientific inquiry during the first 1500)

What a crock.

Some people may have done that, and in the name of religion as well, but there's nothing inherent in Christianity that is hostile to scientific inquiry.

You also demonstrate an appalling lack of knowledge of history and geography if you ascribe the lack of scientific progress for that time to religion alone.

309 posted on 09/29/2009 7:10:25 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts; AndrewC
A vast number of real conservative freepers (whom you regularly trash viscously) would agree.

Unlike you who just oozes sweetness and compassion, right?

310 posted on 09/29/2009 7:13:38 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; xcamel; Mr. Silverback; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; AndrewC; GourmetDan; ...
"A small group of fundamentalists somehow manages pressure or coerce JR to bend to their demands and drive FR to the fringe, driving off other true conservatives at a time when they are most needed to fight against the tidal wave of socialist and anti freedom agendas?"

This is truly a strawman conundrum.

The only way there is to engage this fight is through spiritual warfare. It is not men that we fight, thus we need use the power of the Holy Spirit, and the watchers if we are to see any victory.

The unbelievers that claim to be 'conservatives' have no vision of what the fight even is, and are the real "fringe."

311 posted on 09/29/2009 7:22:19 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom; AndrewC; xcamel

Here’s more:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html

Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719

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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63

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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts

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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp

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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63

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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties

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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/


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312 posted on 09/29/2009 7:26:36 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom
" I believe that scientific claims based on evidence known to be false should be considered criminal fraud."

If we went by that premise, we would lock up 90% of our school teachers for teaching evolution, big bang, and old Earth nonsense, since it all has been proven false.

313 posted on 09/29/2009 7:26:41 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel; metmom
Just like the average creationist to claim “victory” without any substantiating evidence.

You lose.

Where is your evidence? In any case, I didn't claim victory, I made a claim and you reject it. So what? You still make grandiose claims for others.

You can consider my claim equivalent to all Darwinian claims. Gallup polls clearly indicate that Americans are overwhelmingly skeptical of Darwinism. Considering that Freepers are vastly American, the Gallup results apply to us. That is Darwinian logic.

314 posted on 09/29/2009 7:27:18 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: metmom; xcamel
You wouldn’t be referring to THIS poll, would you? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts

That'll do.

315 posted on 09/29/2009 7:32:52 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC

Glad to be of assistance.


316 posted on 09/29/2009 7:34:12 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
Is the entire argument about specific beliefs superfluous?

No. But, in this case, they are.

317 posted on 09/29/2009 7:37:10 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: xcamel; Jim Robinson; GodGunsGuts; metmom; Agamemnon; MrB; CottShop; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; ...
Really?

A small group of fundamentalists somehow manages pressure or coerce JR to bend to their demands and drive FR to the fringe, driving off other true conservatives at a time when they are most needed to fight against the tidal wave of socialist and anti freedom agendas?

Brilliant plan there Dr. Strangelove.

Just keep your petty agenda right there on the front page, where people expect to see the “Face of Reagan’, and all they really get is the likes of Rev Fred Phelps and radical muslim funding of ICR by turkish national Adnan Oktar.

Just brilliant.

What about that Jim? Do you feel "somehow pressured or coerced"? I never got that feeling from your statements about FR concerning Christianity and censorship.

318 posted on 09/29/2009 7:39:05 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: xcamel

Ah...a content free response.

Do you have anything in your quiver besides off-topic insults? If you really think that JimRob has reduced funding by banning people like Coyoteman (who in his latter days had taken to accusing evangelicals of a conspiracy to overthrow the Constitution and replace it with a theocracy that would outlaw astronomy) then put it to the test.


319 posted on 09/29/2009 7:54:12 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: xcamel; Jim Robinson; metmom
Hey boss, were you pressured, or coerced? Are you part of the the Christian Taliban, or do you just work for us?

Here I thought you ran the site, but it turns out I'm in charge...cool, can you tell the mods to wash my car?

320 posted on 09/29/2009 8:00:02 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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