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McChrystal: More Forces or 'Mission Failure' (Drudge headline)
Washington Post ^ | 21 September 2009 | Bob Woodward

Posted on 09/21/2009 3:04:40 AM PDT by SE Mom

The top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan warns in an urgent, confidential assessment of the war that he needs more forces within the next year and bluntly states that without them, the eight-year conflict "will likely result in failure," according to a copy of the 66-page document obtained by The Washington Post.

Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal says emphatically: "Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term (next 12 months) -- while Afghan security capacity matures -- risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible."

His assessment was sent to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Aug. 30 and is now being reviewed by President Obama and his national security team.

McChrystal concludes the document's five-page Commander's Summary on a note of muted optimism: "While the situation is serious, success is still achievable."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bho44; bhodod; bhogwot; bobwoodward; democrats; mcchrystal; obama; oef; oefsurge
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To: SE Mom

It’s heartbreaking. Our country needs a leader. Instead, it has a thoroughly unqualified, racist Socialist who hates our country, and envisions himself to be a mix of Mussolini and Nipsey Russell.


21 posted on 09/21/2009 5:08:24 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: SE Mom

McChrystal says: “Failure to provide adequate resources also risks a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support.”

0’s ‘justification’ yesterday was that he didn’t want to risk sending another military man/woman into harm’s way without a plan for victory. So he has no problem risking the lives of troops already there and the probability of total mission failure.


22 posted on 09/21/2009 5:10:22 AM PDT by drierice
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I honestly don’t know- given the current leadership- what is the wisest course for our defense and safety.

I can argue it either way at this point- but my distrust of this administration is so profound I can’t imagine them waging a successful war anywhere.


23 posted on 09/21/2009 5:12:38 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
True dat. The Iraqi are about 3 centuries ahead of the Afghanis in terms of modern culture. Makes a huge difference when a 21st century western force is trying to “win the hearts and minds of the people”

Now, back to watching the Prevaricator in Chief continue his tango with the media and the American people about how much smarter he is than his generals

God Help our troops over there struggling while the incompetent narcissist muses out loud about not yet having a “strategy” (ie, whether to win or lose)

24 posted on 09/21/2009 5:15:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: vicar7

remember Colin Powell backstabbing Bush because he didn’t send enough troops to Iraq.....

when Powell was on the talk head circuit prevaricating about sending more troops?

Where is Colin Powell now? Sitting in the chicken sh!t gallery?


25 posted on 09/21/2009 5:18:21 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: drierice

So O doesn’t want to risk the lives of reinforcements, but the tens of thousands calling for support over there are just supposed to wait until wisdom falls down and hits this jackass TOTUS on the head?

Kind of a macrocosm of the 4 US marines who died this week in a withering taliban ambush, after calling and waiting over an hour for support- because of obama ROE restrictions


26 posted on 09/21/2009 5:22:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: TomGuy

Obama wants to wait until McChrystal’s report is fully flushed from the news cycle.


27 posted on 09/21/2009 5:30:53 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SE Mom

I can see the future now. Obama denies the request for more troops and we start pulling out of Afghanistan leaving them to fend for themselves. Then “The One” blames it on Bush by saying he took his eye off the ball by going to Iraq and now it’s too late to win in Afghanistan..


28 posted on 09/21/2009 5:45:15 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: SE Mom
So glad the boy-king has time to be on Letterman, play with light sabers, golf every weekend, and fly Sasquatch all over the freakin’ country for date nights while our soldiers are being killed over there. You can't vote present when your suppose to be the CIC!!!!!
29 posted on 09/21/2009 5:46:29 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: agere_contra

Ping. But the larger issue is overall US security. If Onada pulls us out of Afghanistan and the Al Queda murderers hit us again on our own soil, it’ll one more negative for The Dear Leader.

I don’t think much of McCrystal’s sitting still for Onada’s ROE, but on the larger point I like the pressure he’s putting on the Marxist occupying the WH.


30 posted on 09/21/2009 5:47:48 AM PDT by dools007
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To: silverleaf

I am almost in favor of the military taking Obama in exile to Honduras and giving Biden the Presidency. You are either going to fight to win or get out and not pander to the leftists in your party. Fighting a war is not a political decision. This president is extremely naive like none other.


31 posted on 09/21/2009 5:50:56 AM PDT by vicar7
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To: TomGuy
If I recall correctly, when the Son of OBama was campaigning for president presidential nomination and the presidency he KNEW what should be done in Afghanistan and Iraq without qualification. Mr. Richard Holbrooke is the Son of OBama’a Mideast man as he was Clinton's Balkan’s adviser. We are in Afghanistan to eradicate the poppy fields in case you did not know why service people are dying.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/22/AR2008012202617.html
32 posted on 09/21/2009 5:53:09 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: dools007
“If Onada pulls us out of Afghanistan and the Al Queda murderers hit us again on our own soil, it’ll one more negative for The Dear Leader.”
True. But shat if the the terrorists are based in Syria, Palestine, Iran, Egypt....etc.
We went into Afghanistan to punish the Tali ban and cancel the immediate threat of the terrorists for a short period. One of the aspects of Iraq was intended to be a long term solution by breaking up the solidarity of the wacko/terrorists enabling Muslims governments.
33 posted on 09/21/2009 6:04:07 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

so if it was confidential..who leaked it and why?

And isn’t this some kind of crime to leak this kind of info?


34 posted on 09/21/2009 6:18:33 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SE Mom
Related article:

Report: More troops needed for Afghan war success

By Anne Gearan

WASHINGTON — The situation in Afghanistan is growing worse, and without more boots on the ground the U.S. risks failure in a war it's been waging since September 2001, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan says in a confidential report.

"Resources will not win this war, but under-resourcing could lose it," Gen. Stanley McChrystal wrote in a five-page Commander's Summary. His 66-page report, sent to Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Aug. 30, is now under review by President Barack Obama.

Details of McChrystal's assessment were first reported late Sunday by The Washington Post. The newspaper posted a link to the report on its Web site, with some operational details withheld at the request of the Pentagon.

"Although considerable effort and sacrifice have resulted in some progress, many indicators suggest the overall effort is deteriorating," McChrystal said of the war's progress.

While asserting that more troops are needed, McChrystal also pointed out an "urgent need" to significantly revise strategy. The U.S. needs to interact better with the Afghan people, McChrystal said, and better organize its efforts with NATO allies.

"We run the risk of strategic defeat by pursuing tactical wins that cause civilian casualties or unnecessary collateral damage. The insurgents cannot defeat us militarily; but we can defeat ourselves," he wrote.

In his blunt assessment of the tenacious Taliban insurgency, McChrystal warned that unless the U.S. and its allies gain the initiative and reverse the momentum of the militants within the next year the U.S. "risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible"

Gates spokesman Geoff Morrell confirmed the Post report, but said the Pentagon would not release McChrystal's assessment.

"While we would have much preferred none of this be made public at this time we appreciate the paper's willingness to edit out those passages which would likely have endangered personnel and operations in Afghanistan," Morrell said in an e-mail statement.

The Pentagon and the White House are awaiting a separate, more detailed request for additional troops and resources. Media reports Friday and Saturday said McChrystal has finished it but was told to pocket it, partly because of the charged politics surrounding the decision. McChrystal's senior spokesman, Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, told The Associated Press on Sunday the report is not complete.

Obama is re-evaluating whether the renewed focus on hunting al-Qaida that he announced just months ago has become blurred and whether more forces will do any good.

"Are we doing the right thing?" he asked during one of a series of interviews broadcast Sunday. "Are we pursuing the right strategy?"

A spokesman for Afghanistan's Defense Ministry said Sunday the Afghan government would not second-guess international military commanders on the need for more troops, but said that the greatest need is actually on the other side of the Afghan-Pakistan border.

"The focus should be on those points and areas where the insurgency is infiltrating Afghanistan," he said, referring to the Pakistan border region where Taliban and al-Qaida fighters hide and plan attacks.

In Congress, the war has taken on a highly partisan edge. Senate Republicans are demanding more forces to turn around a war that soon will enter its ninth year, while members of Obama's own Democratic Party are trying to put on the brakes. Obama said in the Sunday interviews that he will not allow politics to govern his decision.

Nor has the president asked his top commander in Afghanistan to sit on a request for U.S. reinforcements in a backsliding war.

"No, no, no, no," Obama responded when asked whether he or aides had directed McChrystal to temporarily withhold a request for additional U.S. forces and other resources.

But he gave no deadline for making a decision about whether to send more Americans into harm's way.

"The only thing I've said to my folks is, 'A, I want an unvarnished assessment, but, B, I don't want to put the resource question before the strategy question,'" Obama said. "Because there is a natural inclination to say, 'If I get more, then I can do more.'"

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress last week he expected McChrystal's request for additional forces and other resources "in the very near future."

Other military officials had said the request would go to McChrystal's boss, Gen. David Petraeus, and up the chain of command in a matter of weeks. The White House discounted that timeline, but has remained vague about how long it would take to receive the report and act on it.

In the interviews taped Friday at the White House, Obama mentioned concerns about the "mission creep" that befell former President George W. Bush's attempt to build and prop up a viable democratic government in a country unaccustomed to central rule and sensitive to foreign meddling.

Obama said he's asking this question now of the military regarding his plan: "How does this advance America's national security interests? How does it make sure that al-Qaida and its extremist allies cannot attack the United States homeland, our allies, our troops who are based in Europe?"

"If supporting the Afghan national government and building capacity for their army and securing certain provinces advances that strategy, then we'll move forward," the president continued. "But if it doesn't, then I'm not interested in just being in Afghanistan for the sake of being in Afghanistan or saving face or, in some way, you know, sending a message that America is here for the duration."

Obama spoke on CNN's "State of the Union," ABC's "This Week," NBC's "Meet the Press," and CBS' "Face the Nation."

Source: Report: More troops needed for Afghan war success

35 posted on 09/21/2009 6:22:58 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: silverleaf; 444Flyer
"McChrystal makes clear that his call for more forces is predicated on the adoption of a strategy in which troops emphasize protecting Afghans rather than killing insurgents or controlling territory. Most starkly, he says: '[I]nadequate resources will likely result in failure. However, without a new strategy, the mission should not be resourced.'"

The true context of McChrystal's call, (piss be upon him,) for more Troops is in the first line of a paragraph far down the aricle.
It is NOT his goal to protect our WARRIORS.
It is NOT his goal to defeat the Taliban.
It is NOT his goal to protect the National Security of this country!

The headline for this article is GROSSLY misleading.

Me to McChrystal:
YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM! YOU ARE BETRAYING OUR WARRIORS!

ME TO THE PENTAGON: When are you going to do the right thing by our TROOPS?????

36 posted on 09/21/2009 6:30:53 AM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: Pravious

a mix of Mussolini and Nipsey Russell.


Lol!


37 posted on 09/21/2009 6:32:28 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: myknowledge

“Because there is a natural inclination to say, ‘If I get more, then I can do more.’”


And he should know.


38 posted on 09/21/2009 6:40:31 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: myknowledge

McChrystal is not fighting a war. This is insanity. BEYOND insanity.
This is not what our brave Troops should be engaged in. They will be killed doing this. They are already being killed doing this.
It is inexcusable.


39 posted on 09/21/2009 6:45:12 AM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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To: SE Mom

Some of the comments at the WP illustrate what an uphill battle lies ahead. Most support cut & run:


Of course, if you read or watch the American MSM (or McChrystal “top-secret” report, for that matter), you may reach the same conclusion: more troops are needed in order to succeed in our noble goal of saving Afghanistan from those bad, ugly barbarians who enjoy killing our fully-armored troops.

But,

If you take a look at other sources (for instance mainstream European, Asian, Middle-East media), you may understand something pretty obvious: those ugly barbarians are fighting against foreign invaders who have installed a corrupt puppet government.


Is the U.S. military/industrial complex crazy or just blood thirsty. Who is in charge the CIA or our elected government? Does Gates realize he is no longer in charge of the CIA?


Republicans have been “cutting and running” on health care reform for 70 years!
Now - it’s a quagmire.
But Republicans will GLADLY support more war spending in THE country where empires go to die.


Those are fairly representative...that is what folks hear in the Beltway.


40 posted on 09/21/2009 6:48:54 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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