Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Christians hauled before court after defending their beliefs with Muslim guest (UK)
Mail Online ^ | 9/20/2009 | Jonathan Petre

Posted on 09/20/2009 6:05:01 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

A Christian couple have been charged with a criminal offence after taking part in what they regarded as a reasonable discussion about religion with guests at their hotel.

Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang were arrested after a Muslim woman complained to police that she had been offended by their comments.

They have been charged under public order laws with using ‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’ that were ‘religiously aggravated’.

The couple, whose trial has been set for December, face a fine of up to £5,000 and a criminal record if they are convicted.

Although the facts are disputed, it is thought that during the conversation the couple were challenged over their Christian beliefs

It is understood that they suggested that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, was a warlord and that traditional Muslim dress for women was a form of bondage.

They deny, however, that their comments were threatening and argue that they had every right to defend and explain their beliefs.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: christianity; egalitarianism; islam; mhmmdnsm09202009; religion
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last

1 posted on 09/20/2009 6:05:02 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

Coming here soon to Obamaland.


2 posted on 09/20/2009 6:06:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

on the positive side at least their heads are still intact.


3 posted on 09/20/2009 6:08:07 AM PDT by apollo861 (I am so gonna swallow your soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

I guess the couple can’t press charges for having been offended by the pedophile lover?


4 posted on 09/20/2009 6:11:28 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.
The UK today...


5 posted on 09/20/2009 6:12:46 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.
they suggested that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, was a warlord

I'd guess that Muslims would take this as an compliment. Being a warlord was one of the traits of Mohammed that Islam brags about.

6 posted on 09/20/2009 6:13:44 AM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

Just accuse them back. Say they too were offended.

In fact, each Christian should, as a matter of course, accuse a minimum of 5 muslims per week of this offense.


7 posted on 09/20/2009 6:13:48 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

is this not the biggest amount of BULLSH*T...

there’s a small college that sits on the Ohio River called Hanover - a former Presb. College back in the day with not Islamic students until this semester....a girl from Palestine who “just fell in love with the valley...” and her dad came with her to this “gentle scene along the river - and cut wood with another students father during the week long visit...” - and guess what - her 17 yr old sister is interested in attending this out of the way college as well next year...

They send in women who are non-threatening with an agenda to disrupt and plot the overthrow of decent society by breeding fear in those that other wise use their freedom of speech daily...no bombs - no violence - just the fear of being arrested for speaking one’s mind!


8 posted on 09/20/2009 6:17:43 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stephenjohnbanker
Coming here soon to Obamaland.

...And so is the war! I can't beleive a supposedly "free" society would make laws to prevent free speech...it's abominable! It's just a matter of time before people who recognize and love freedom rise up, unfortunately and obviously NOT soon enough in the UK!

9 posted on 09/20/2009 6:25:33 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

The Muslim woman should be deported. I am sick and tired of hearing and reading about Islamics “being offended

Islam is a faith of hate and a cult of insanity.

And, the Christian couple were correct about Islam


10 posted on 09/20/2009 6:34:14 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (America is still great....no matter what Globalists, Communists, Anti-Birthers, Terrorists think)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

bookmark


11 posted on 09/20/2009 6:36:25 AM PDT by ElayneJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Principled
You could do it but their whimpering and whining is so annoying. Best to just keep them quiet.

The deal here is the NHS was putting up this woman in a small B&B while undergoing treatment.

We don't know what drugs she was on at the time, but clearly she knows that you don't go into someone else's home and insult them by having them arrested. In ANY Moslem country that woman would be taken out and thrashed to within an inch of her life (provided, of course, she'd mouthed off to another Moslem).

Just applying Sharia Law to her might send her scurrying somewhere else.

12 posted on 09/20/2009 6:38:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: DieHard the Hunter

Ping


13 posted on 09/20/2009 6:38:46 AM PDT by vladimir998
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stephenjohnbanker
The time of being passive is coming to an end. The Church needs to grow a backbone again.

What gets me is that cops just so willingly go along with all of this. That makes them just as culpable.

14 posted on 09/20/2009 6:50:43 AM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: vladimir998

And of course Mohammed was a pedophile. His favorite wife was 8. Oh, I’m sorry. She was 9 when their marriage was consummated. His beliefs changed daily to suit whatever perversion he was into that day. I can’t believe anyone can follow this twisted freak. Liberals have the gaul to criticize Christians but hold up muzzies as peaceful and virtuous. I know many individual muzzies are (my son’s college roommate was muslim), but the book of islam isn’t. I guess the thought police are going to come for all of us on FR when zero gets his way.


15 posted on 09/20/2009 6:59:36 AM PDT by TStro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: sirchtruth

It’s up to US to not allow this. If we are passive, the same fate that befell the UK wil happen here. My minister left Scotland to come here due to the UK fleeing from God.


16 posted on 09/20/2009 7:05:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Clock King

If our constitutional freedoms are usurped, our religious freedom goes with it.


17 posted on 09/20/2009 7:06:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: UCFRoadWarrior

B U M P


18 posted on 09/20/2009 7:09:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.

Since the Brit prosecutors accept the Islamist definition of what constitutes “giving offense” to Islam, the only alternative for Christians is to have no interaction at all with Muslims on a personal level. That is de-facto apartheid, but I guess that can be ignored since it isn’t enshrined into public policy.

I guess Britain will drift along aimlessly until the Muslims breed them out, as it were.


19 posted on 09/20/2009 7:32:47 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stephenjohnbanker

So true, mate.. it is mindboggling what is happening in the UK. It’s time for those of us residing in America to become more vigilant of our individual freedoms, as this totalitarian mindset is part and parcel of the collectivists’ mindset and, in the end, their ultimate goal.


20 posted on 09/20/2009 7:55:03 AM PDT by misanthropic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson