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Fresh Fossil Feather Nanostructures (fossils make far better sense w/o assumption of million of year
ICR News ^ | September 16, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 09/16/2009 9:03:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Fresh Fossil Feather Nanostructures

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Bird feathers can contain pigmentation for a wide range of colors, with specific molecules reflecting certain hues when light touches them. They also can display “structural” colors, where the thicknesses of layers of cells and connective tissues are fine-tuned to refract certain colors.

Scientists recently described structural coloration that is still clearly discernible in well-preserved fossil feathers. Why do these fossil feathers have their original cell structures laid out in the original patterns if they are millions of years old?

In 1995, paleontologists Derek Briggs and Paul Davis provided an overview of fossil feathers from the 40 or so places on the globe where they were known to exist.1 Among their findings was that 69 percent of feather fossils are preserved not as impressions, but as carbon traces. This was verified by comparing the proportions of carbon in both the surrounding carbonaceous rock and the fossil within it, to the proportions of organically-derived carbon from the same items. They found that there was more organic carbon in the fossil than in the stone.

At that time, the researchers thought the carbon came from bacteria that had degraded the feather material and then remained placed in the feather’s outline. But 13 years later, Briggs and other colleagues showed clear evidence that these “bacterial cells” were actually melanosomes―the same microscopic, sausage-shaped, dark pigment-containing structures in today’s bird feathers―from the original feather.2

This means that the organic carbon in the melanosomes somehow avoided decay for millions of years, which contradicts “the well-known fact that the majority of organic molecules decay in thousands of years.”3

Briggs and his colleagues recently described fossil feathers from the German Messel Oil Shale deposits, which are famous for their remarkably well-preserved fossils. These not only contained organic carbon from melanosomes (not bacteria), but the melanosomes were still organized in their original spacing and layering. Thus, the “metallic greenish, bluish or coppery” colors that can be seen from different viewing angles, producing an iridescent sheen, may very well be similar to that of the original bird’s plumage.4

Biologists already know that “in order to produce a particular [structural] colour, the keratin thickness must be accurate to within about 0.05 μm (one twenty thousandth of one millimetre!).”5 Although the keratin had decayed from these fossil feathers, its layers of melanosomes remained laid out in similarly precise thicknesses. Thus, not only was the color preserved, but the melanosomes were still organized to within micrometers of their original positions.

Evolutionary geologists maintain that the Messel Shale was formed 47 million years ago. But with these colorful feather fossils—which retain not only the original molecules inside their original melanosomes, but also the architectural layout of these structures—evolutionists must invent some kind of magical preservation process that simply isn’t observed in the laboratory or in nature.

Without the assumption of millions of years, however, the fossil data begin to make much more sense. Fresh-looking fossil features point to a young world.

References

  1. Davis, P.G. and D. E. G. Briggs. 1995. Fossilization of feathers. Geology. 23 (9): 783-786.
  2. Thomas, B. Fossil Feathers Convey Color. ICR News. Posted on icr.org July 21, 2008, accessed September 10, 2009.

  3. Fossil feathers reveal their hues. BBC News. Posted on news.bbc.co.uk July 8, 2008, reporting on research published in Vinther, J. et al. 2008. The colour of fossil feathers. Biology Letters. 4 (5): 522-525.
  4. Scientists Find Evidence of Iridescence in 40-Million-Year-Old Feather Fossil. Yale University press release, August 26, 2009, reporting on research published in Vinther, J. et al. Structural coloration in a fossil feather. Biology Letters. Published online before print August 26, 2009.
  5. Burgess, S. 2001. The beauty of the peacock tail and the problems with the theory of sexual selection. TJ. 15 (2): 96.

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.

Article posted on September 16, 2009.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; science
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To: Nathan Zachary
And considering the short speck of time this body of mine has on this earth, I'm not too worried about what it's doing. There's not a damn thing I can do about it anyway. Only God can.

So then accept that you don't know what you're talking about, have no interest in finding out, and are willing to leave science -- and the business of educating children -- to people who do.

61 posted on 09/16/2009 10:55:26 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GunRunner

Neanderthals never existed


62 posted on 09/16/2009 10:56:04 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Alter Kaker
"Again, you probably should have paid a little more attention in high school."

good thing i didn't all those books have been trashed for all the evolutionary error they contained.

63 posted on 09/16/2009 10:57:15 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Neanderthals never existed

Sure they did. We've even mapped their genome.

Complete Neanderthal Genome Mapped

64 posted on 09/16/2009 10:59:14 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Nathan Zachary; GunRunner
Neanderthals never existed

I posted a photo of a Triceratops cranium. You don't think they existed either. Do you accept my suggestion, that it might have been a 30 foot long, 10 foot tall, 12 ton goat (based on the fact that both Triceratops and goats have horns)? If not, what was it?

65 posted on 09/16/2009 10:59:32 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Good quotes, showing the Biblical caution against presumed wisdom, and asserting that relatively, it is nothing (”foolishness”) compared to God.

A modern scientists says the same thing: almost all will tell you that the more they learn, the more amazed they are at what we do not know. Only non-scientists imagine that scientists know almost everything. The really foolish are those who think that all problems are soluble. They can often be heard to make such statements as, “We got to the moon, so surely we can [insert favorite problem here].”


66 posted on 09/16/2009 10:59:41 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: Alter Kaker

My company has registered hundreds of patents over my lifetime. What have you done?


67 posted on 09/16/2009 11:02:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

You should stick to registering new patents. You obviously know nothing about the subjects being discussed here.


68 posted on 09/16/2009 11:05:10 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Alter Kaker
"I posted a photo of a Triceratops cranium. You don't think they existed either."

I said those 300 foot tall dinosaurs never existed. I never said anything about large lizards.

69 posted on 09/16/2009 11:06:20 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GunRunner
"You should stick to registering new patents. You obviously know nothing about the subjects being discussed here."

Says who? You? What theories have you turned into millions of dollars?

70 posted on 09/16/2009 11:07:30 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
I said those 300 foot tall dinosaurs never existed.

No one claims they did, so you're not refuting anything.

71 posted on 09/16/2009 11:07:45 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Nathan Zachary
I said those 300 foot tall dinosaurs never existed. I never said anything about large lizards.

Well I agree with you. 300 foot tall dinosaurs never existed. I'm not sure there's a person on the planet who would disagree.

72 posted on 09/16/2009 11:07:53 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I see you don't understand how Doppler shifts work.

The speed of light is a constant, the distance it has to travel is what causes the shift in color, not whether it is speeding up or slowing down.

Here's a little experiment for you to try.

Have a friend stand at the end of the block while you are on the other end.
Have them say in a clear normal voice "I am Standing here" repeatedly.
Start walking towards them. As you get closer you begin to kind of hear them, but not distinctly until you are much closer.
This is an example of the Red shift in the Doppler spectrum indicating closer distance the light has to travel.

Now, start walking away from them until you cannot hear what they are saying.
This is an example of the blue shift in the Doppler changes. The volume has not changed, but the distance it has to travel has.

73 posted on 09/16/2009 11:08:38 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: GunRunner

That link is just nutty theory. And proven in error as well.


74 posted on 09/16/2009 11:09:34 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GunRunner; Nathan Zachary

Evidence that Neanderthals were fully human:

The FOXP2 gene supports Neandertals being fully human

http://creation.com/foxp2-gene-neandertals-human

Taking a crack at the Neandertal mitochondrial genome

http://creation.com/taking-a-crack-at-the-neandertal-mitochondrial-genome

National Geographic unveils ‘Wilma’ the Neandertal lady

http://creation.com/national-geographic-unveils-wilma-the-neandertal-lady


75 posted on 09/16/2009 11:09:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GunRunner; Nathan Zachary
You should stick to registering new patents. You obviously know nothing about the subjects being discussed here.

Nathan sounds like an assistant janitor at IBM. IBM holds lots of patents! His company!

76 posted on 09/16/2009 11:11:08 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Pistolshot

No, the speed of light is not constant. I know it’s beyond your grasp, so I won’t bother explaining.


77 posted on 09/16/2009 11:11:41 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Yeah, says me. You don't know anything about paleontology or physics, and its displayed on this thread.

I know some millionaires, and not one of them claims that their bank account or business cash flow automatically gives them scientific knowledge. Only a talker would start mentioning his wallet in a thread about the speed of light, especially to a bunch of strangers who don't gives a hoot about your patent accomplishments.

78 posted on 09/16/2009 11:12:43 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Nathan Zachary

Sorry, you don’t know anything about physics....and it shows.


79 posted on 09/16/2009 11:13:31 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
No, the speed of light is not constant. I know it’s beyond your grasp, so I won’t bother explaining.

What's funny is that you can't explain, since you obviously don't even understand how the Doppler effect works. But you think we don't know that. Even GGG isn't defending your assertions, because they're rather astonishingly unread.

80 posted on 09/16/2009 11:14:51 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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