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Does Hedonism Belong in Science?
CEH ^ | September 13, 2009

Posted on 09/14/2009 8:30:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Sept 13, 2009 — What’s an article advocating hedonism doing on Science Daily? Sure enough, an article entitled “Hedonism As the Explanation of Value” appeared today on the science news site without controversy or debate. The entry gave David Brax of Lund University a platform to preach that “pleasure is the only thing that is valuable in itself.”...

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1 posted on 09/14/2009 8:30:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Every once in a while the evos reveal what their evo-religion is really all about...this is one of those times. Ping!


2 posted on 09/14/2009 8:32:20 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
"pleasure is the only thing that is valuable in itself"

Prove that scientifically.

3 posted on 09/14/2009 8:34:25 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970

“Like man, it’s such a blast!”


4 posted on 09/14/2009 8:37:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Psychology has come a long way in the last century, providing interesting findings about phenomena that philosophers have long been interested in, especially regarding how emotions affect our thinking and decisions. We philosophers should be part of this project rather than narrowing down the type of questions we address. The various disciplines can benefit from each other, and the best exchange takes place when they develop in tandem and to some extent together,” says David Brax.”

Taking an article based on a yet unpublished doctoral thesis by a philosophy student is hardly relevant to evolutionary discussions.


5 posted on 09/14/2009 8:40:08 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: GodGunsGuts
The left claims science as it's own mainly because they have been able to convince a large percentage of the great unwashed that most scientists are athiests. Actually, only a small percentage of the great scientists were/are athiests. Here is a good example list:

Scientists

6 posted on 09/14/2009 8:45:17 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mogollon
Many are on a mission to convince others that anyone who accepts any scientific explanation that contradicts their interpretation of scripture is an atheist.

The interpretation itself can be anything from simultaneous creation of all living species within the last few thousand years to the necessity of the Sun moving around the Earth, doesn't matter; to them if you disagree you are ‘putting the science of man above the word of God’.

7 posted on 09/14/2009 8:49:00 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Liberty1970

Not only can they not prove that scientifically, it makes no logical sense either. How can pleasure be valuable in itself when it can only be valued by a human being? As Cornelius Hunter might say (with a slight addition from yours truly), the Temple of Darwin’s evo-religion is driving science, and it matters!


8 posted on 09/14/2009 8:51:02 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Mogollon

I give the author of that list credit for accurately describing Einstein’s views, but I disagree with his decision to include him on a list that (at least at first glance) appears to be otherwise entirely comprised of biblical creationists.


9 posted on 09/14/2009 9:01:15 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

The entire article, including the poster who seems to be afraid to post a link to the original, makes a conclusion similar to “Because there was gasoline, man invented cars”.

Yeah, it’s just about that stupid.


10 posted on 09/14/2009 9:07:19 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The entry gave David Brax of Lund University a platform to preach that “pleasure is the only thing that is valuable in itself.”

knowledge? wisdom? natural rights? health? friends?

11 posted on 09/14/2009 9:31:59 AM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: GodGunsGuts
I wanna drive my sportute as fast as she will go on the highway (after I drop the kids off at school).

I wanna bask in the glow of an incandescent light bulb.

I wanna set my thermostat to 72 in the winter and 68 in the summer.

I wanna showerhead with the water pressure of a firehose.

I wanna ten gallon flush toilet.

I wanna eat steak, rare, veal, foie gras, and fried chicken.

Am I a hedonist?

12 posted on 09/14/2009 9:34:15 AM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“OK, preachers: if he can do it, you can do it. If Science Daily will print the opinions of a hedonist just because he alludes to neuroscience, all you need to do is a little research into the latest findings on how the brain works and apply it to support your position that people are basically selfish and evil and need redemption. Doesn’t your philosophy also have roots in antiquity? Is there any other reason this hedonist earned free publicity in Seance Daily?”

—I’m not sure about Science Daily as it’s a magazine I rarely read, but I have actually seen such arguments in other science magazines and journals under heading of behavioral science or psychology. And I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen the famous Milgram experiment referenced or talked about, so this stuff is nothing new.

“Still, any system built on hedonism is doomed. If my pleasure is my highest value, why should I care about anyone else’s pleasure? Why would a marine throw himself on his grenade to save his buddies? That’s not very pleasurable.”

—I think for most people (sociopaths being an exception) one’s pleasure depends in part on the pleasure of others. It makes me happy helping others be happy.
Perhaps the marine threw himself on the grenade because he wouldn’t have been able to live with himself if he let his buddies all die (if he managed to survive the blast himself)?


13 posted on 09/14/2009 10:06:01 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: FormerRep

Except it does when liberals ignore they go on and on about peer review and “philosophy isn’t part of science”, then say nothing about this kind of thing whatsoever...indeed the article mentions it went unchallenged.

hypocrats.


14 posted on 09/14/2009 10:49:14 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 09/14/2009 10:08:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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