Seems awfully small to have genes. Maybe you could point them out on the chemical structure?
Posted on 09/11/2009 8:51:46 AM PDT by Scythian
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What you've discovered sounds suspiciously like proof. If only you had something similar for your GMO claims.
If the smell is different, some compound went from the asparagus in your tummy, into your blood stream, thru your kidneys, and out again.
Is it a compound that can be measured in the asparagus? That can be measured again in the urine? Sounds like proof again.
If you change what you eat, you change what goes thru your body.
As long as you're not talking about genetically engineered amino acids.
You wouldn’t eat just any old plant you found because you would not be sure what compounds are in it. The same is true for GM plants.
I have an idea, why not test the compound in the GM plant and see if it is harmful? What you could do is feed a rat normal soybeans and a different rat the GM soybeans. Sounds easy.
Todd, who says, if it weren't for the precautionary principle, liberals would have no principles at all.
” I have an idea, why not test the compound in the GM plant and see if it is harmful? What you could do is feed a rat normal soybeans and a different rat the GM soybeans. Sounds easy.”
Go back up to that big reply, click on the second link and read away to your heart’s delight.
parsy, who says it suspiciously sounds like toddster ain’t reading what is given him.
Oh, BTW:
Making good decisions is hard. Making good decisions is harder if you don’t read the articles.
parsy, who thinks you ought to read more, assume less.
Rats were fed Monsanto's Mon 863 Bt corn for 90 days.
They showed significant changes in their blood cells, livers and kidneys, which might indicate disease.
Although experts demanded follow-up, Monsanto used unscientific, contradictory arguments to dismiss concerns
I was looking for something a little more substantial. I didn't realize that Monsanto could dismiss such serious concerns with "unscientific, contradictory arguments"
I guess all of the competitors of Monsanto are fooled by "unscientific, contradictory arguments"
How quick is it to "rush thru" a new drug these days?
Plant DNA is coursing thru your veins at this very moment? Are you sure?
You weren't making assumptions when you made any claims in this thread, were you?
My opinion is time seems to have the worst cumulative effect on your health. Of course, the opposite is certainly less desirable.
Read more about this topic. It seems “substantial” that more testing isn’t done on the front end. The substantial equivalence stuff. And it is not like you can go out and just pick up a bag of GM corn. I am not even sure they have all the different combinations listed because many were not run thru because Monsanto called them substantial equivalents.
And gee, I guess Monsanto would be the first company in the whole dang history of companies to dismiss claims of problems with BS? Hardly, tobacco companies did it for decades.
You need to get off your lazy b*tt and start reading this stuff and can the sophmoric crap. You appear to be so busy looking for something to say in the “debate” that you have missed the point of the argument.
While sarcasm is fun, it is not an answer. If you are looking for something more substantial, then do just that. Start looking and stop trying to win an argument. There were a slew of links there at that one site. To grab one, make a snide comment, and walk away is probably fun for you, but hardly instructive or germane. Plus, you really did a poor job of handling the report.
I am having to do some legal research on an issue semi-related to Monsanto and from what I have read in that, Monsanto isn’t entirely on the up and up.
parsy, who says you need to get real
This is the third time you have said this. What is your point?
parsy, who wonders if you are hitting the wrong button
One of your "sources" in your post #105, mentioned "a genetically engineered brand of a food supplement called L-tryptophan."
You haven't responded to the fact that L-tryptophan is an amino acid, it has no genes. It cannot be genetically modified.
If you post claims that it is genetically modified, I feel the need to mention that error, until you respond.
I wouldn't want you to think I'm not reading your posts.
You claimed, "I see drugs getting rushed thru research with studies being done by “independent” doctors on the drug company’s secret payroll"
But still no follow up on your definition of "rushed thru".
You also said, "When some scientist is hooking dna strands from bacteria onto a plant strand, we eat it and it gets into our systems"
Do you think plant DNA gets into our systems?
Or will you fail to read my post?
http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/gefacts.pdf
L-Trip was genetically modified.
Yes. I do think the plant dna gets into our system. The ARM genes do break off. Different genetic makeup leads to different compounds. We eat the plants, we get the compounds.
parsy, who feels like he is having to spoon food you
Here is you a rushed drug link. I am sure there are many other.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/HealthPolicy/8906
parsy, who is wondering why you didn’t do some of this yourself.
Seems awfully small to have genes. Maybe you could point them out on the chemical structure?
There might be a teensy problem with me finding the problem on YOUR little picture. I am not a chemist but I suspect your picture is one of the old fashioned L-Trips. The problem is the L-trip that caused the problems was made by genetically engineered bacteria, and from what little I can understand, the L-trip had two heads?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0813/is_n8_v18/ai_11450784/
In November 1989, Gerald Gleich of the Mayo Clinic placed a call to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. He reported that three women in New Mexico and one person in Minnesota were suffering from the same puzzling symptoms.
All had been taking tryptophan, an amino acid the body uses to build protein.
The Disease
The new disease was called EMS, or Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome, because patients have high levels of white blood cells called eosinophils and muscle pain (myalgia). What does it feel like?
“Imagine a painful cramp in the foot multiplied a hundredfold,” said Paul L. Houts, an EMS victim who testified at a Congressional hearing last July.
“The spasms hit every part of the body—no muscle is inviolate. Furthermore, the spasms are liable to hit simultaneously, leaving the victim howling in pain or writhing on the nearest flat surface.”
And it doesn’t go away. “Problems which persist include fatigue, muscle weakness, aches and cramping, joint pains, scarred tight skin, and nerve, heart and lung damage,” Esther Sternberg, a researcher at the National Institutes of Health, told Congress.
Of the more than 1,500 victims reported so far, 31 have died because of irregular heartbeats and lung faiure. So far, there is no treatment.
The Regulations
In 1973, the FDA took tryptophan and all other amino acids off the GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) list. It wasn’t that they had a clue about EMS. “Our main concern was that too much of one amino acid could cause an imbalance of others, not acute toxicity,” says the FDA’s Douglas Archer.
But in 1977, the FDA fumbled. It published a GRAS list that, by mistake, included tryptophan, and it took six months to correct the error. So when the FDA seized tryptophan tablets in 1977, the manufacturer sued and won, arguing that tryptophan had been on the GRAS list at the time it was being sold.
Despite this defeat, says Philip Derfler of the FDA’s General Counsel’s office, “we believe that tryptophan’s marketing was unlawful under the [Food, Drug and Cosmetic] Act since 1973.” But the FDA didn’t act, because of the court case . . . and a new law.
The LAW
In 1973, the FDA tried to rein in all supplements, perhaps too tightly. Any supplement containing high doses, said the FDA, would be classified as a drug.
Within three years, Congress passed the Proxmire Amendment, which specifically prohibited the agency from calling a supplement a drug just because the dose was high.
“It seemed to signal Congessional intent that supplement-type products not be regulated without indications of real danger to health,” Archer told Congress.
That explains why, for almost two decades, tryptophan was—and other amino acids still are—sold in the U.S. even though the FDA considered their sale unlawful.
The Cause
Like millions of others, Norma Hart, a former New York City school teacher, had no clue that the FDA considered tryptophan illegal. “I’ve always had trouble sleeping and wanted to avoid the side effects of habit-forming drugs,” she told a recent FDA hearing on supplements, breathing rapidly to counter EMS’s damage to her lungs.
Tryptophan is supposed to promote sleep because the body converts it to serotonin, a chemical that passes messages from one nerve cell to another.
“I was told that tryptophan was a natural substance that occurred in milk and turkey. With my two masters and a doctorate in education, I thought it was made from boiled down milk and turkey,” says Hart.
In fact, tryptophan is made by bacteria. But, as the supplement industry is eager to point out, tryptophan is made by bacteria. But, as the supplement industry is eager to point out, tryptophan was taken safely for 25 years before anyone got EMS. The tryptophan that caused EMS was made by one Japanese company, Showa Denko.
Between the fall of 1988 and the summer of 1989, Showa Denko made two changes in the way it produced its tryptophan:
* it introduced a new strain of bacterium that was genetically engineered to produce higher levels of tryptophan, and
* it cut back on the filtering process used to purify the tryptophan.
Because of one—or both—of these changes, Showa Denko’s tryptophan contained a compound not found in any other company’s tryptophan. Referred to as Peak 97 (after the spike it forms on a graph of its components), it consists largely of two tryptophans chemically stuck together.
Researchers are eagerly awaiting the results of Sternberg’s most recent study, which should show whether Peak 97 causes all the key symptoms of EMS in animals. If it doesn’t, it’s back to the drawing board.
The Catch
It will take some time before the FDA solves the EMS mystery. But regardless of what caused the disease and how it can be treated, one troubling fact remains: Showa Denko’s tryptophan was “pure” enough to be sold as drug. So it’s hard to know how EMS could have been avoided.
“This was a new disease with a new, unknown cause, and no one could have anticipated it,” says Archer. “Can we be sure another strange disease syndrome won’t crop up? No.”
COPYRIGHT 1991 Center for Science in the Public Interest
COPYRIGHT 2008 Gale, Cengage Learning
parsy, who says maybe you are now a believer?
I read on Drudge that there are like 96,000 Americans older than 100.
parsy, who does not think he can make it that far.
Women have caused most of my wounds.
parsy, who is no longer afraid of death, Satan, or much else, having been married twice and having a few relationships not specifically ordained by legal ceremony
Obviously.
I suspect your picture is one of the old fashioned L-Trips.
It's a chemical. There is only one.
The problem is the L-trip that caused the problems was made by genetically engineered bacteria
Finally! It was worth posting the same comment over and over to get you to realize the difference between genetically modified bacteria (see, bacteria are these huge things that actually have genes) and an amino acid (which is this tiny molecule and has no genes).
Its a minor point. Genetically engineered bacteria produced this particular batch of L-trip and apparently it came out with the molecules stuck together or something.
But why did you not just come out and say it. You could have said: “parsy. L-trip is a chemical compound that does not have genes. It is produced by bacteria. Could the bacteria have been GM’d?”
Would that have not saved a bunch of bandwidth? Plus, this was just an example of what happens when we tinker with genes. (Known also as a collateral issue) The tinkering was done at the bacterial level and produced a mutant L-trip that killed people. That is the important point. Messing with genes is dangerous. We ain’t even testing what is done with our food before we sell it.
parsy, who has sore fingers for no reason
The ‘peer’ of a propagandist is another propagandist.
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