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At Bloggingheads, Fleeing the Ritual Contamination of “Creationism” (Evos turn on their own)
Evolution News & Views ^ | September 2, 2009 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 09/05/2009 8:40:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

At Bloggingheads, Fleeing the Ritual Contamination of “Creationism”

The imbroglio over editorial policy at Bloggingheads.tv would be of minor interest if it didn’t present such an evocative window on the psychology of the Darwin-believing community. Did you ever think about what actually drives these people?

To recap: Robert Wright, the site’s editor-in-chief, was out of the shop when his staff pulled down an interview, six hours after it was put up, between linguist John McWhorter and biochemist Michael Behe. Somehow, pressure was applied to McWhorter resulting in his actually issuing a public apology. He was forced to cringe and beg forgiveness. Anyone could see the reason he had given offense: McWhorter in the interview expressed undisguised admiration for Behe’s specialty in the intelligent design field, irreducible complexity. When Wright returned, he reversed the move and restored Behe/McWhorter. The lesson to be drawn is that were it not for Wright’s doing the decent thing, then intelligent-design advocate Behe would have remained censored. Whoever intimidated McWhorter would have won the day -- illustrating a dynamic well known to ID sympathizers in the academic science world, and in intellectual life in general. When it comes to intelligent design, silence is the safe policy. The preferable strategy is to align your view with Darwinian orthodoxy.

The next act has involved more public pronouncements -- this time from disgruntled science contributors to Bloggingheads: physicist Sean Carroll and science writer Carl Zimmer. The two participated in a conference call with Wright, demanding that he formulate a policy that would never again allow a “creationist” to speak for himself on Bloggingheads. Wright knows the difference between creationism and intelligent design -- he articulated it nicely in a 2002 article in Time magazine. Carroll and Zimmer seemingly don’t. That or they prefer to use the more inflammatory language to refer to Behe, who merely disputes the mechanism of evolution.

As he wrote in a comment on Carroll’s blog, Wright wasn’t pleased either by the McWhorter interview or by another with Paul Nelson, but he was unwilling to capitulate and make the blanket promise that Carroll and Zimmer wanted, forever to exclude from attention anyone who dissents from evolutionary dogma. So both men wrote preening, self-congratulatory declarations on their blogs that they were through with Bloggingheads. They quit.

Carroll wanted “a slightly more elevated brand of discourse.” He wrote, “Certainly none of we [sic] scientists who were disturbed that the dialogue existed in the first place ever asked that it be removed.” Yet it should never have been posted. An ID advocate could speak on Bloggingheads if he has “respectable thoughts” on other subjects. But not on ID. That would create a “connection with a brand,” that brand would be shared by the “creationist” and Sean Carroll, and that would not be acceptable. Participants should be “serious people.” Some years ago he “declined an invitation” to a Templeton Foundation conference because “I didn’t want to be seen” at such an event. Harry Kroto was disappointed “that I would sully myself” by indirect Templeton connections. And no wonder: “we all have to look at ourselves in the mirror.”

Notes of self-regard peek through again and again in his long blog post. Respect, brand image, the appearance of seriousness, personal associations, sullying yourself by down-market affiliations, gazing upon yourself in the mirror.

In a comment on the blog, David Killoren of Bloggingheads cements the point by unabashedly flattering:

I want to voice agreement with Sean about a few things. I agree that creationists and ID’ers are crackpots. I agree that these crackpots do harm (e.g. by corrupting public perception of science). I agree that appearing on a site that has featured crackpots could damage the reputation and integrity of reputable scientists, so I fully understand Sean’s choice to stay away from BhTV (although I’d be very happy if he were to reconsider) [emphasis added].
He concludes: “One Sean Carroll diavlog is worth any number of creationism conversations. If I could rewind and start over I’d aim to do it all differently.” David Killoren too is seeking someone’s regard, whose prestige should rub off a bit on him. As the guy who himself set up the Paul Nelson interview, he anxiously wants no one to mistake what side he is on.

How much of this is about science and how much of it is about personal status, social and professional esteem? Evolution, the history of life, whether any known material mechanism alone can account for life’s development -- these are scientific questions but they are surrounded by auras of psychological and social significance that can’t be understood simply in scientific terms.

Everyone wants to be esteemed by others and, more importantly, by himself. Dangers to your status are scary things, for all of us. But in the world of Darwinism, as this Bloggingheads episode reveals, the normal, healthy care for your personal reputation becomes intensified. The touch of “creationism” becomes something weirdly akin to ritual contamination as the ancients understood it. No one is going to think Sean Carroll is soft on “creationism” just because he appears on Bloggingheads, even if the latter were to invite Michael Behe to interview a different intelligent-design theorist every week of the year.

But if he continues his association with Robert Wright’s website, even if Wright in fact never again has an ID advocate on, just because Wright has failed to offer the demanded promise, then this does threaten to contaminate Sean Carroll by a mechanism that can only be characterized as magical, occult, beyond rational. Sitting on a chair or bed where a creationist sat, being under the same roof as his corpse, being associated with a website that provided a platform for two “creationists” and won’t absolutely promise it will never do so again -- it’s all the same.

As for poor John McWhorter, he presents us with the dread spectacle of the person already contaminated, seeking a remedy for his affliction -- and not finding it. This incident will contaminate him with creationism for years to come. He is the man in Leviticus, afflicted with a skin contamination, and compelled to live for some time outside the camp. “His garments shall be rent, the hair of his head shall be unshorn, and he shall cloak himself up to his lips; he is to call out, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’”

Am I scoffing? Not at all. Evolutionary psychologists no doubt have their own explanation, another just so story, for why so many ancient cultures share ideas of contamination. We could probably all agree that there is an underlying structure in the human mind that responds to the idea of contaminants. Where did we get it from? You tell me.

One thing’s clear. Social anxiety plays some role in the fear and dread that intelligent design provokes among people who are too dedicated to their own brand image. We’ve long known this. But it doesn’t explain entirely the absolute horror not of being thought of as a “creationist” but merely of being touched by the slightest taint, the merest hint, of the idea. For that, I think we need to go a little deeper.

In any case, this is the current culture of science. Does anyone seriously think it doesn't impede the free exploration of ideas?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; moralabsolutes; science

1 posted on 09/05/2009 8:40:01 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

Defy the censorship by watching “Signature in the Cell” on C-SPAN’s BookTV This Weekend (fascinating book on Intelligent Design)!!!

For more, see the following link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2332867/posts


2 posted on 09/05/2009 8:41:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 09/05/2009 8:43:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

ID is sort of like someone saying (and has as much scientific weight as) “don’t invest in XYZ — your moon is in Scorpio and Aquarius is on the ascension” at an investment forum.

It isn’t a question of ideas, it is a question of scientific ideas.


4 posted on 09/05/2009 8:45:23 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

They’re not Evos, they’re dEvos. Devolvong into lesser beings as we watch. It’s not taking millions of years either. Mere decades have them acting as snarling animals in nature, they are devolving themselves, physically, by choice...bestial choices that is.


5 posted on 09/05/2009 8:46:46 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: DGHoodini

LOL...I prefer to think of it as degeneration, as devolution implies that they evolved in the first place. But point well taken nonetheless!!!


6 posted on 09/05/2009 8:49:23 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Watch the cannibals eat their own- they’ve lost their teeth when goign after ID and creationism, now they’re content I guess gumming each other because it’s easier pickings lol


7 posted on 09/05/2009 8:49:39 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Kind of hard to take them seriously when you can’t tell the difference between their bite and a message...LOL!


8 posted on 09/05/2009 8:52:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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Story of Human Language, Course No. 1600, Taught by John McWhorter, Manhattan Institute, Ph.D., Stanford University
McWhorter appears to favor the elimination of Affirmative Action but supports Obama; interesting lecture (the parts I've heard). He talks about the linguistic evidence against a single colonization of the Americas (which are substantial), but doesn't come right out and say, it happened that way. :')
9 posted on 09/05/2009 8:57:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Oh, you see, I find not many contradictions between evolution and the Bible. I think that man has an incomplete understanding of each. The bible is like a book written for a race of very young children. That it is like a primer. “See Spot Run..” is true, but really doesn’t expain the where and whys of Grorge the Postman showing up right before lunchtime every day, nor that he does his job to pay off a mortgage. It amuses me, to think that a “day’ for an omnipotent being, can be related to one spin of the axis of a not spectaculr planet, around a not very unique. on the fringe of the billions of stars making up one galaxy, of many....But to explain events to a child, in relation to their napt times, that they can count on their fingers? Yes...when you remind them each day to count them down.

A day in Gods eye, could be a million years or more to God.

Then af=gain it is the utmost in arrogance to think that our science, has even begun to scratch the surface of what we don’t know about even our own planet. Time and time again, have we not found that events related in the bible, that the Mr big Brains have called myths, turned out to be true historical facts and locations?

I’m notg saying their isn’t any mumbo Jumbo in our religions, anymore that I would ttake the word of a two year old on the “Facts of Life. And while discussing algebra with a four yeart old, I would likely be very facile and “detail light”, and instead of talking about mas to weight ratios in force conversions, would highlight the end results of what Algebra allows to be done or built.

But the dEvos...they think that *they* are the Gods, because they’ve mastered the art of saying “No!”.


10 posted on 09/05/2009 9:11:02 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: DGHoodini
That was a very thoughtful reply, DGH. We are obviously a pretty wide gap between our views with respect to origins, and yet we can have a respectful conversation about the same. And while we might disagree what a “day” means with respect to creation week in the Bible, I couldn't agree more with your assessment that the Evos have come to view themselves as gods. Hope to see you more on these threads. All the best—GGGG
11 posted on 09/05/2009 9:24:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 09/05/2009 9:37:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

You keep complaining that those you disagree with throw insults left and right yet you do the exact same thing.

Guess some animals are more equal than others.


13 posted on 09/05/2009 9:59:38 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: GodGunsGuts
And the Braying Bunch shows up when you post an article on the claim that creationist views of any sort are ‘driving people away from Christianity’, ‘making “real” science look bad’ and the greatest sin of all, ‘embarrassment’ to the delicate egos and reputations of the ‘serious’.
14 posted on 09/05/2009 11:05:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Isn’t it amazing to see “Christians” who refuse to profess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior condemn genuine Christians for believing that God created the Heavens and the Earth?


15 posted on 09/05/2009 12:00:52 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is, as I suppose it should be, but over the years the warning Jesus gave at John 16:2, where Jesus says those who kill his disciples would imagine they’re performing a sacred service to God comes often to mind.


16 posted on 09/05/2009 12:22:51 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Did you ever think about what actually drives these people?

Satan.

17 posted on 09/06/2009 12:55:38 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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