Posted on 09/04/2009 8:35:59 PM PDT by kristinn
Edited on 09/04/2009 10:12:27 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Excellent points and excellent questions, if I may say so.
I’ve tried to convey as reasonably as I can (how do you tell people that the communists are coming without sounding like a loon? At least that was the case until fairly recently.) on this forum, and many, many other places, that we are in big trouble. For many years I’ve watched the hard-left put themselves in a position from which to make their final push.
They are trying, right this very minute, to make their final push.
Let me make the simple even more simple—if they pass their health care bill, we’re done. I suspect the cap ‘n trade legislation will have a similar, but somewhat delayed, effect on the US.
The paradigm shifts at that point—it is a HUGE part of our economy, it is our very bodies that we’re talking about. It shifts from individual freedom to the state as our keeper—they own your bodies.
It is the psychological effects of this that will destroy the United States, and they know it.
Believe me when I say: American minds will follow. Not you reading this, necessarily, but your children will grow up with the government ‘taking care of’ their bodies. They will not have the same philosophical or political foundation as you—they will not be the Americans we are.
It will not matter who is elected in 2012, or any other election thereafter, because they will all serve under the leftist government that has been put in place.
From this they will easily achieve all other goals in time.
If it passes, then the founder’s idea of this country is dead and buried.
We are then subject to inevitable international encroachment on our sovereignty—we will fall as a nation to the global socialists/communists.
Could this possibly be dependent on this health care bill, this administration? A resounding yes.
Not to mention what our enemies will throw at us militarily as well fall. Sorry to be so bleak, but I think all of you here recognize our position on this planet and can imagine how our enemies might react to our ever-weakening state.
We are the light of the world, if you believe that human freedom lit this world, that is. And though it is very fashionable to despise this country these days, thanks to the highly effective subversion of the global left, the fact remains that if we fall the entire world will suffer.
This country will not survive the hard-left in power.
This is their Hail Mary pass. They have been drooling over the prospect for decades.
This is what the founders were trying to prevent—this comprises every evil they warned us of. It will be the end of self-rule. It’s then back to old-fashioned slavery.
King George had nothing on 0bama, folks.
Enough of us have forgotten what a real threat to freedom looks like that the hard-left has flourished in our country of late. They are here and they feverishly working to undermine your freedom.
It is happening right now.
Those who know what is happening are having a hell of a time trying to reach people through the fog of their conditioning. If we come out and say it (Communists are working to overthrow the USofA), we are often met with outright rejection. What you ‘know’ is the biggest obstacle to your learning the truth. (Not to mention the awful effects of mass media on consciousness.) We are under attack by the hard-left. This is a quiet war. They are winning.
It is time for all of us to wake up, rise up and fight this before it is no longer an option to resist.
I know you don’t want to. I know you really want to believe the situation isn’t as grave as I have presented. I know you have families to take care of. I know that things look just fine on television and just outside your door.
But we are at a crossroads and each of us must join in on the work to save this country. No one is coming. We are this country’s last line of defense. If we don’t fight she gets no defense at all—we surrender her to our would-be masters.
I hope that in a few years that we all can say we got wise to what was happening in the nick of time and saved ourselves.
I have children and I shutter at the thought of how the alternative will affect them.
The issue is he was a racist, Communist, crude radical who should have never, ever, never been placed in any government position.
It is significant that he was put in a Senior Executive Service (SEC) position. Why? Those are high level jobs of specific and unusual government authority and trust. I have no problem with the Secretary of Defense being in one. But, he is confirmed by the Senate.
These "czars" that Obama created are accountable to no one, and yet they are SES positions. If you want to go ahead and try in drag the 23 Billion we are in debt to make that look like an insignificant issue, go ahead - but it shows to me you are missing the true point.
Now he has resigned. Only 99% of Obama's current staff of radicals, racists, and God hating leftists to go.
Yes, I agree with that completely. I must have missed your original point. I thought you were making a big deal of saving his 6-figure salary, which struck me as infinitesimally insignificant in the big picture, which you correctly went on to describe in the post I am responding to. I think we completely agree. I misunderstood your previous point.
My father warned me about the communists long ago. I thought he was exaggerating the point. By Bill Clinton’s 2nd term, I began to see my father was dead right and that the communists had saturated our society and was trying to implement communism in America. Took me a while to see.
I may sound like a nut to many when I spout my anti-communist stuff. But I am convinced and it doesn’t stop me from spouting off about it. My father taught me that much and I believe it.
Socialized medicine has long been a cornerstone of socialist societies and most western nations have embraced it. We are one of the last dominoes and the communists know they can’t have socialism without it, but having it will accelerate their power grab. I realize that.
I don’t know if it will pass. There is huge opposition. If it is passed unilaterally by the Democrats, and if a huge national backlash sweeps the Republicans back in, there is at least SOME chance that part of that Republican mandate will be to dissolve the socialized medicine programs put in before. The program is not set to go into affect until 2013, so a Republican sweep in 2010, or more likely by 2012, would leave time to undo the legislation.
I realize the danger in it.
I cherish Freedom. I am perfectly willing to live with the reductions in security that result from a high level of Freedom. I hate socialism. We have to stop it at all costs. The problem is, a US totalitarian dictatorship is inevitable. The best we can possibly do is delaying action. The children are brainwashed. Everyone from welfare queens to AARP Seniors feels ENTITLED to suckle off the public trough. That train has left the station.
The best we can do is fight that entitlement mentality and try to delay an increase in it. But the masses have already learned they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury and they are going to do so with every new election. Unless we can go back to only wealthy landowners voting, we can’t stop that progression — only delay it. That is where we are today.
Hopefully, we will be able to delay it due to Obama over-reaching which runs the risk of waking the sheeple.
No, the “grassroots” movement I speak of is real, credible efforts on the part of “we the people” to make it happen.
I didn’t say it would work, I simply said that we are going to see people on the ground AND some in Congress that are no longer afraid of little obama and his b!tches who will make a mighty big noise...
I too, dream of a President Palin. Given the current political climate, it is becoming a more realistic scenario...
Marxism is our nation's **MOST** serious threat! We can survive a nuclear suitcase bomb. Hey! We lost New Orleans to a hurricane and we're still here. The communists in our midst are the most dangerous threat to our nation.
But...It is rare to even hear the problem correctly identified. It irritates me that Rush ( who likely understands that communism is our nation's most serious threat) almost never even uses the words “communist” or “Marxist”. How can we win if we do not call the enemy who and what it is?
We will not win against the enemy if we persist in merely fighting against the symptoms. Government health care is a symptom! Obama’s speech to the nation's children on Tuesday is a symptom! The Cap and Trade and the stimulus bills are symptoms. As conservatives we must educate the American people that the reason we are continually are fighting these issues is that the true enemy is the philosophy of COMMUNISM!
Fighting communism means using the same tactics that communists are using now to bring down freedom. As you say that means taking back or creating new churches, film entertainment, the arts, schools...etc.
Re: K-12 schooling
Conservatives consistently fail to understand that teaching children to accept taxpayer paid government K-12 schooling ( and doing this daily for 13 or more years) teaches children to be comfortable with accepting tax money for a service their parents want for free. Even worse than this object lesson, government teachers teach children that it is their **right**. It is a short step from accepting schooling paid for by the government forcing money from their neighbor to accepting free food, clothing, housing, medicines, transportation, gas and energy, retirement, disability,..etc.
Schools, especially K-12 government schools, are the communists’ most powerful weapon against freedom. Yet...Year after year conservatives do nothing about getting their kids out of these indoctrination camps. They do nothing about setting up tuition-free alternatives for out nation's children, and they do nothing to close these communist kiddie camps down.
It started when the first government schools ( funded by police threat taxes) opened in the mid to late 1800s.
As an institution, government schools are a relatively new institution. The last state to require compulsory government schooling wasn't until the beginning of the 1900s. To put this in perspective my mother is 96 and our county's high school is celebrating its 100th anniversary this year.
The movement for government schooling starting in the 1840s and wasn't common until the mid-1800s to late 1800s.
So?....What was the consequence of sending our grandparents, and great grandparents into government schools that were funded by taking taxes from citizens by police threat? Answer: Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal!
Our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents became comfortable with accepting government taking money from their neighbor ( under the threat of police action) to pay for a service ( education) that their parents wanted for FREE. It was a short step from this to accepting free retirement, disability, reduced tuition state universities and Pell Grants, Medicare, free medicines, welfare, housing, food stamps, clothing...And the slide continues.
If you believe the problems with government schools began 30 years ago, then you among those who do not recognize that it is the institution ITSELF that is flawed and can NOT be fixed. Government schools were a socialist scheme from the beginning. They **always** were a daily object lesson to all the students in being comfortable with taking money from a neighbor. They can not be fixed because SOCIALISM CAN NOT BE FIXED!
How did the enemy get that way?
Answer: Schools!
If our nation's colleges and universities were filled to the brim with youth who could vigorously defend their faith and our nation's founding principles, their Marxist professors would wither before them!
And...Soon these righteous young people would be taking their places among the ranks of professors, media leaders, arts, entertainment, and the halls of congress.
We must shut down the government K-12 schools and get children into tuition-free, private conservative schools.
Excellent line.
THAT IS FRIKKING GREAT! I LOL’ed while reading along to the music...too funny!
(Did you compose those lyrics?)
Nicely done!
Yes. See tagline.
He gone.
I wonder what his soulmate Meg Whitman has to say about it.
Anyone have any more information about this aspect of his blighted career??
Very good! I’ll keep an eye out for them...:)
It’s up to US in 2010 to “dismiss” every single person up for re election. Clean house and I mean BOTH Houses!
Unless you are a PROVEN conservative then you get the frigging boot .PERIOD
There are however a few Freepers who teach in public schools and carry the message . Not enough by far though ..
Of course Obama purposely surrounded himself with radical Socialist. I never doubted that for 2 seconds. He’s one himself. My God, he said right upfront on national TV that he wanted to spread the wealth around. DUHHHHH that means what ? I agree most of America is too busy watching hockey and dancing with the stars and wearing backwards baseball hats at the bar and don’t even know the country has been overthrown.
I finally got through to state my case just before dinnertime — after repeated attempts over a very lengthy delay.
That, fellow Freepers, tells me that our sustained efforts of civil protest are most effective !!! Well Done! /dk
>This is probably a stoopid question, but where does all the money come from to fund the activities of this bunch of America hating obots?>
In my view, the only stupid question is the one not asked. They are funded by sundry foundations which are in turn funded by Soros, Bildeberger, globalists and, the most galling of all your tax dollars.
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