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China Puts Up a Fighter
Wall Street Journal ^ | SEPTEMBER 1, 2009 | RICHARD D. FISHER JR.

Posted on 09/02/2009 7:07:52 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

China Puts Up a Fighter

Beijing's fifth-generation military challenge to the U.S.

By RICHARD D. FISHER JR.

ZHUKOVSKY, Russia—With few exceptions, Beijing rarely says much of substance about its ongoing military build-up or its strategic thinking. But the overriding message from the recent Moscow Airshow and other airshows, plus occasional interviews with Chinese and Russian engineers, is that Beijing is not conceding next-generation air superiority to anyone, least of all the United States.

Exhibit A is Beijing's long-running effort to build a fifth-generation fighter plane equivalent to the U.S. F-22 and F-35. Such planes use extensive stealth and advanced radar and can usually "supercruise," or fly supersonically for extended periods without using fuel-guzzling afterburners. In what may be the only public reference to the program by a Chinese official, the Commander of the People's Liberation Army Navy mentioned their requirement for a fighter capable of "supersonic cruise" during 60th anniversary celebrations in April. Today this can only be achieved by the U.S. F-22A Raptor, the world's only operational fifth-generation fighter.

To be sure, China faces many technical obstacles. Development of advanced engines capable of 15-ton thrust levels is a particularly serious bottleneck. But China's fifth-generation efforts date back to the early 1990s and will start with two heavy fighters from China's two main fighter companies. A Chinese source told me in early 2005 that the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, famous for developing the fourth-generation J-10 fighter, was considering the development of a medium-weight fifth-generation plane comparable to the F-35. This could mean that Chengdu's fighter will be built in vertical take-off and aircraft carrier versions. In 2006, the competing Shenyang Aircraft Corporation revealed a concept for a single-engine forward-swept-wing fighter that would be highly maneuverable and potentially stealthy. It seems the PLA envisions two levels to its program:

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; f22; j10; raptor22
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The J-10

1 posted on 09/02/2009 7:07:53 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

pOs’s plan is to have everybody supercede us in any way possible.


2 posted on 09/02/2009 7:11:16 AM PDT by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

way to funny


3 posted on 09/02/2009 7:11:59 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

thanks for posting....


4 posted on 09/02/2009 7:12:32 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: sukhoi-30mki

We seems to think that Air Superiority is our G-d given right. Its not—it has to be protected through technological innovation and PRODUCTION of aircraft once those innovations are made. We have a generation of politicians and their Yes-men military leaders who think we can replace fighters with UAVs. This is wishful thinking but is accepted by much of the DOD Acquisition community as fact. Worse yet, this is not something you can crank out on a dime. The F-22 took 20+ years to get into the field. It was a tremendous investment, but we produced less than 200 before shutting down the production line. That was madness.

One day we will be forced into a showdown with China and will be outclassed and outgunned.


5 posted on 09/02/2009 7:19:33 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: JEC

The Joint Chiefs need to realize that defense and the military are pretty much meaningless if you have an islamo usurper in the white hut. Hopefully Judge Carter understands this.


6 posted on 09/02/2009 7:20:33 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Nice target.............


7 posted on 09/02/2009 7:21:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money...M. Thatcher)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That looks like the least ‘potentially stealthy’ plane on the planet.


8 posted on 09/02/2009 7:23:25 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Eurofighter Typhoon

Coincidental engineering?

9 posted on 09/02/2009 7:30:54 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: rbg81

Unfortunately if this RAT regime is anything like the last RAT regime, every one of our air superiority/technological innovations will be easily appropriated by the ChiComs anyway.


10 posted on 09/02/2009 7:32:26 AM PDT by MNSlim
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Left off the part about...with the assistance of the Clintons and Obama.

Demoralize the CIA and allow Chicoms to steal all of our secrets just like the last time a Dumocrat was in the White House.
11 posted on 09/02/2009 7:39:06 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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a heavy fighter for maintaining air superiority, and a medium-weight plane that's cheaper and more versatile...

Hmmm. Now this sounds familiar.

12 posted on 09/02/2009 7:51:18 AM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right,...exercise...die anyway.)
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To: MNSlim

Yup—for pennies on the dollar.


13 posted on 09/02/2009 7:53:37 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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Will we be outgunned by this new Chinese thing?


14 posted on 09/02/2009 7:54:52 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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We as a nation will pay the price in blood for the mistakes that our leaders are making. The tab may be a big on when it comes due.


15 posted on 09/02/2009 7:57:55 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: MSF BU

I dunno about that specifically. But I do know that if they continue to invest and innovate and we don’t, we will eventually be outclassed and outgunned by them.


16 posted on 09/02/2009 9:34:32 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
We as a nation will pay the price in blood for the mistakes that our leaders are making. The tab may be a big on when it comes due.

That may be true. But what also may be true, is that it will be a country other than China that will be making us pay the tab. And the Chinese could be ones helping us. I miss the days of the national mentally portrayed in the movie "Red Dawn" :( I wonder what happened since? :(

17 posted on 09/02/2009 1:50:31 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: Sudetenland

Almost all US mil secrets aquired from Billy were “sold” for campain cash; only the klystron switch (which enables theremonuclear and neutron bombs) was given free gratis.

Chinese spys were allowed clearances and access to TS tech from subs to nukes. Many are no doubt just awaiting orders from the PLA to send new info.


18 posted on 09/05/2009 10:04:59 AM PDT by PIF
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To: ponder life

The American Communist Party merged with the Democrate Party...


19 posted on 09/05/2009 10:06:11 AM PDT by PIF
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Shenyang J-14. The PLAAF's future answer to the F-22 Raptor. Question is, when will it make its first flight and how many can the PLAAF induct into operational service with combat squadrons?
20 posted on 09/08/2009 6:13:35 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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