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Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war? (Health care)
ZDNet ^ | September 1, 2009 | Dana Blankenhorn

Posted on 09/01/2009 12:46:44 PM PDT by La Lydia

Even avid Democrats like former Labor Secretary Robert Reich admit Republicans won the August argument on health care. (Picture from Wikimedia Commons.) Reich wrote this week that Democrats have ideas but Republicans have discipline, illustrating the point with his own call for a September march on Washington, which he now admits was just a thought balloon. But the loss has stiffened some liberal spines, like that of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, who now calls for “siege warfare against deeply entrenched interests, defending a deeply dysfunctional political system.”

So while the far right won the health care argument last month, there are Democrats to their left who now want to go to war. Senate Finance Committee chair Max Baucus has even given up on bipartisan negotiations and is ready to push through with his own party...

The problem here for Republicans is their own past success. President Clinton failed to get a health bill through in 1993 and Democrats were hammered the next year, especially their more conservative members. It took them over a decade to win back the majorities they had then.

This may make threats to wreck the careers of those voting “aye” less potent, with conservative Democrats figuring that if they can’t win they might as well stand for something.

The bottom line. If Democrats can’t agree on a proposal given their substantial majorities in both Houses of Congress, they face a generation’s exile in the political wilderness, no matter how many crazy pills some Republicans take.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obamacare; socializedmedicine
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Yeah right.
1 posted on 09/01/2009 12:46:44 PM PDT by La Lydia
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If they rename it a Kennedy bill, we should reply no Kennedy Mary Jo Kopechne government care.
2 posted on 09/01/2009 12:49:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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“... no matter how many crazy pills some Republicans take.”

Hey, don’t look at us, the democrats are the ones drinking
the kool-aid!


3 posted on 09/01/2009 12:51:11 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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RE :”But the loss has stiffened some liberal spines, like that of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, who now calls for “siege warfare against deeply entrenched interests, defending a deeply dysfunctional political system.” “

This guy is brilliant! It ignores the democrat civil war going on.


4 posted on 09/01/2009 12:51:39 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: La Lydia

Why is this on ZDnet? isn’t that a tech site?


5 posted on 09/01/2009 12:52:11 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad

They have a health care section.


6 posted on 09/01/2009 12:52:53 PM PDT by La Lydia
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I think j0ker will get the USA into an actual shooting war (Pok-i-stan, anyone?) in order to arrest his slide in the polls.

It's what the RATs always do.

7 posted on 09/01/2009 12:57:08 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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This may make threats to wreck the careers of those voting “aye” less potent, with conservative Democrats figuring that if they can’t win they might as well stand for something

And what would that be, exactly, Dana?? They were voted in as conservative Democrats , so for what would they sit on their swords? So that Obambi can save face ? Good luck with that.

8 posted on 09/01/2009 12:58:25 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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“...Democrats have ideas...”

Yeah. But they’re bad ideas.

“...but Republicans have discipline.”

I wish.

Rather, conservative Americans have core values and defined beliefs about the appropriate role of government in their lives.


9 posted on 09/01/2009 1:00:43 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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Don’t try to make sense of it. it is DemThink. This guy thinks all those pols are going to throw themselves and their careers on Obama’s sword, or perhaps roll themselves under the Obamacare bus.


10 posted on 09/01/2009 1:00:48 PM PDT by La Lydia
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Yeah, the Democrats have ideas, alright. The problem is, they are all bad ones.


11 posted on 09/01/2009 1:02:27 PM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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Paul Krugman, who now calls for “siege warfare against deeply entrenched interests, defending a deeply dysfunctional political system.”

The deeply entrenched, deeply dysfunctional political system ain't the conservative Republicans. Look into a mirror once and a while Paulie!

12 posted on 09/01/2009 1:03:56 PM PDT by boatbums (A man is no fool who gives up that which he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose.)
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To: Martin Tell
I think j0ker will get the USA into an actual shooting war (Pok-i-stan, anyone?) in order to arrest his slide in the polls.

Putting on my tinfoil hat, I think he'll fake a terrorist attack on us while we're in DC on the 12th, and declare martial law.
13 posted on 09/01/2009 1:04:01 PM PDT by wolfpat (Moderate=Clueless)
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there are Democrats to their left who now want to go to war

More true than you know.

They want war. They're begging for it.

And, if they keep this up, war will be the result.

14 posted on 09/01/2009 1:06:27 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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This may make threats to wreck the careers of those voting “aye” less potent, with conservative Democrats figuring that if they can’t win they might as well stand for something.

What a poorly thought-out article.

If they are "conservative" Democrats, why would they commit political suicide by "standing for something" (state-run socialized medicine) that they don't even believe in? (Assuming the typist understands the contemporary meaning of the word "conservative.")

Reading this article was like overhearing no-nothing idiots pontificate about politics in a bar.

15 posted on 09/01/2009 1:12:39 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: La Lydia

If an actual thought ever passed through this guys brains, it would immediately combine with one of the innumerable anti-thoughts already there, and in a blinding flash of light, immolate everything within 200 yards of him.


16 posted on 09/01/2009 1:17:34 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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there are Democrats to their left who now want to go to war

Ummm...what would the Libs be bringing to this war? WORDS? They wouldn't touch a gun with a ten-foot pole. I think it could be a very SHORT war!

17 posted on 09/01/2009 1:32:23 PM PDT by boatbums (A man is no fool who gives up that which he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose.)
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they want war but they forgot that they are for gun control


18 posted on 09/01/2009 1:43:54 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Shop at Whole Foods Sep 1!!!)
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To: dead
Reading this article was like overhearing no-nothing idiots pontificate about politics in a bar.

True, but you have to give Dana Blankenhorn credit for being persistent. If you had belonged to one of America's first dial-in online services ("The Source") around 1980, and you logged in with your 300-baud modem with the rubber "Mickey Mouse ears," you'd have seen "DANA" and "NICK DANGER" arguing politics. So he's been at this almost 30 years.

Ulp.

So have I.


19 posted on 09/01/2009 2:16:33 PM PDT by Nick Danger (I am Obama of Borg. Allegiance is futile. You will be capitulated.)
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Ummm...what would the Libs be bringing to this war? WORDS?

No, they will bring a fraction of the United States Army and United States Marine Corps.

They will fracture the commissioned officer corps over issues of oathtaking, loyalty, and obedience to duly constituted authority.

I do not envy any commissioned officer in the coming troubles. They will be making extremely difficult decisions under very trying circumstances.

20 posted on 09/01/2009 2:18:40 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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