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How to Argue with a (Guilty) Liberal
Renew America ^ | August 27, 2009 | Carey Roberts

Posted on 08/27/2009 4:11:07 AM PDT by FreeManDC

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To: sirchtruth

Most of MSM owners/editors and talking heads, and the entire Democrat party should be serving time for violating The Espionage Act


21 posted on 08/27/2009 5:01:58 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jwparkerjr

Man, I hate sounding like a dyed in the wool, old fashioned conspiratorial lunatic fringe charter member, but there’s just too much happening too quickly for it be coincidence.

^^^
Don’t worry you don’t sound that way, and you are not alone.

BTW:

This week, Beck has addressed this big rush to pass so many bills at once. He says they are deliberately trying to overshelm the system. If you have not been able to watch Beck, I suggest you get the text or video of his show; he is really connecting the dots. And it’s really chilling.


22 posted on 08/27/2009 5:06:28 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: jwparkerjr

” , is the Left’s Tet Offensive “

You’re coming dangerously close to thinking the unthinkable, and saying the unsayable...

The Second American Revolution has been being fought since 1968, and we’re within a gnat’s whisker of losing it....

What we’re now being called to fight is the counter-revolution...


23 posted on 08/27/2009 5:08:23 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: sirchtruth
"It's not that I don't agree with you on this, but will just say I believe these people are too ridiculously anserine too pull it off."

I don't. They've been at it for 60 years or more, and the infiltration by these traitors and other actors into every nook and cranny of government and civil service, NGO's and the numurous departments of the UN is scary.

This is a big cancerous tumor we have to cut out, so big that the host may die if we try.

24 posted on 08/27/2009 5:09:27 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: dalebert

Why does the race card get used in every disagreement?

I am not sure what has evolved within the past year, but I have been coined a racist more times than I’d care to recall.

Whenever any political or social discussion comes up and a more liberally slanted person disagrees, they throw out the race card before the discussion can actually have some logical dialogue.

I have grown tired of that, and now ask how I can be a racist?

It usually results with Bush, blah, blah, blah....


25 posted on 08/27/2009 5:14:29 AM PDT by borntobeagle (Insurrection, anyone??????)
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To: borntobeagle

” Why does the race card get used in every disagreement? “

Because, historically, it has *always* worked....

But have heart - there have been encouraging signs of a growing pushback, and even backlash, in recent days...

The times, to coin a phrase, they are a-changin’....


26 posted on 08/27/2009 5:20:19 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: borntobeagle

ya, i’ve been called racist while holding my mixed grandson....I do not want obama care for him...


27 posted on 08/27/2009 5:21:04 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: pnh102

thats right.....facts and logic are nothing to dems.


28 posted on 08/27/2009 5:21:55 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Nathan Zachary
Most of MSM owners/editors and talking heads, and the entire Democrat party should be serving time for violating The Espionage Act

Exactly my point!! What has happened in this country is we have lost all sense of a moral decent standard. No reverence or respect for each other because liberals have successfully removed the "Standard." Good men start to become apathetic and turned a blind eye. This country can not exist without a creator driven moral code.

Inalienable rights can NEVER be endowed by man!

29 posted on 08/27/2009 5:22:04 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
This is a big cancerous tumor we have to cut out, so big that the host may die if we try.This is my own belief, but this problem is not physical, it's spiritual. To me it's akin to the devil tricking Eve into eating the fruit. Weak-willed selfishness is a destroyer of good.

So, yes your point is well surmised.

30 posted on 08/27/2009 5:29:51 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: FreeManDC

To liberals, history started yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0


31 posted on 08/27/2009 5:30:37 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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To: borntobeagle; Uncle Ike

Ike has it right.

They use it because

WE’VE TRAINED THEM TO USE IT.

We reinforce its use every time we cease to criticize and argue our points when it is used. We tell them it works whenever we are cowed into silence out of fear of being perceived as racist.

When the TRUTH is denegrated as racist, and the truth teller self-censors out of fear, we tell them that we’ll stop telling that truth if they accuse us of being racist.


32 posted on 08/27/2009 5:34:39 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: FreeManDC

Enough with the “guilty” liberal already. They are guilty of much but they are not driven by guilt. These people are driven by their twisted morality. Their moral relativism demands that they oppose what is good and decent.


33 posted on 08/27/2009 5:47:48 AM PDT by all the best
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To: FreeManDC

Unfortunately facts do not faze liberals. Liberalism is based on feelings and emotion. They don’t allow facts to change what they “feel” is right.


34 posted on 08/27/2009 5:49:20 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MrB
Well, my new plan is to simply ask how I am a racist. This costs me some time listening to how every thought I’ve ever had is “red-necked”, which to me is a racist statement.

And of course I will hear how my ancestors were atrocious to the blacks.

Then I tell them in truth that my family was dirt poor and just scraped by with the skin of their teeth, trying to survive the dust-bowl, working alongside people of color picking cotton when there was cotton to pick, and living on sharecropper land.

The responses are often highly heated, asking me how do I know if my ancestors weren’t racist? And I can only reply with how could their ancestor’s sell their own people?

There is some grandious image in a lot people’s minds that back in the day, our ancestors were all wealthy southerners on a large plantation and had a slew of slaves to work the land.

This needs to be a myth that is exposed repeatedly, as often as possible, and heard by as many whites as blacks.

The day of being apologetic is over. I don’t own a slave, nor did my ancestors. But we have all become slaves to that notion of racism, and it needs to end.

35 posted on 08/27/2009 6:00:45 AM PDT by borntobeagle (Insurrection, anyone??????)
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To: borntobeagle
how do I know if my ancestors weren’t racist
I wonder why the speaker thinks this is relevant. Even if they were, it doesn't make YOU a racist. Null argument.

The playing of the race card needs to be met with mockery and ridicule. The player needs to be told that in so doing, he has conceded that he doesn't have any valid, reasonable, or logical argument, and that the playing of the race card is tantamount to stating as much.

36 posted on 08/27/2009 6:05:22 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: FreeManDC

Excellent piece. It eloquently states why I don’t really use the left/right dichotomy any longer, but instead the totalitarian / anarchist scale. Both left and right wingers have been totalitarian over time, so it’s more useful to think in terms of authoritarianists vs. those who would make their own way.


37 posted on 08/27/2009 6:11:31 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: MrB

+++how do I know if my ancestors weren’t racist
I wonder why the speaker thinks this is relevant. Even if they were, it doesn’t make YOU a racist. Null argument.+++

A very valid point. I will keep that in mind as I enter more into these discussions.

Just as a side note, my husband who was never a real politics man until moving stateside, has become very confrontational on this issue. He is of pure Japanese descent, designed in Japan but manufactured in Hawaii.

His family lost everything during the war, his father and other relatives were placed in internment camps. But they picked themselves up by their boot-straps and started again. They learned a lesson from that war. They learned to get educated and become a necessary part of society, to keep their clans close together and work as a family to lift one another up.

When he hears people using the race card, he asks the person who spouts the race card if they are really a minority, since there are so much more blacks than there are people of his descent. He often tells them to take a little time study history and see if they can learn from the past. He says, “If extra-equality hasn’t worked for you or your family yet, maybe you should change your game plan”


38 posted on 08/27/2009 6:29:22 AM PDT by borntobeagle (Insurrection, anyone??????)
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To: jwparkerjr

No, it’s not a coincidence. You are absolutely correct.

Someone is pulling the strings. And there’s a string for each piece of the liberal left. A string for race, one for wealth, another for voters, and so on. Whoever is pulling the strings has managed to convince these disparate parties that THEIR pet project or goal is within reach. Truth is the puller of the strings couldn’t care less about these people and their aspirations. The moment the takeover is complete every one of these groups will be told to forget their goals and fall in line behind the string pullers or they will be destroyed.


39 posted on 08/27/2009 8:34:26 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: sirchtruth

I agree the people out in front are, definitely. But there is someone or someones behind the front people. The front people were carefully chosen for some characteristic that fits into the overall plan. For some it’s nothing more than their allegiance to a leftist ideal, an allegiance that blinds them to the true goals of the background person or group and how they are being used for a much bigger prize.


40 posted on 08/27/2009 10:11:16 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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