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State prepares to challenge U.S. gun laws [20 others - secession to follow?]
WND ^ | August 25, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 08/27/2009 12:34:31 AM PDT by Ron C.

'This is an issue where the federal government has no business'

Montana statehouse

Supporters of a first-of-a-kind law in Montana that declared weapons or ammunition made and kept in the state were exempt from federal rules are preparing for a court challenge to the federal government's insistence it will regulate those items.

The Montana Shooting Sports Association and the Second Amendment Foundation have formed a strategic alliance with plans to litigate over the Montana Firearms Freedom Act.

The bill was passed by the 2009 Montana Legislature and signed into law by Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; bang; banglist; freedom; guns; rights; statesrights
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To: SatinDoll
"Only the main metropolitan cities are blue...."

90 percent of CA landscape is conservative - maybe counties will split away. They wanted to break this state into three parts a few years ago... who knows? It's going to be pretty wild.

But, that all depends on a lot of things - the Zero admin first, the courts, and the will of the people... this last, probably should have been first. This pres might be third in line.

21 posted on 08/27/2009 1:55:47 AM PDT by Ron C. (Wake up - Go see how it really is - then speak from knowledge)
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To: Ron C.
most of these state[sic] will be among those that separate from the USA and become part of a separate Conservative nation.

Don't be ridiculous.

22 posted on 08/27/2009 1:56:43 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: Ron C.

No, they don’t understand this country AT ALL.

Their plans and schemes to control and subjugate Americans to their anti-American rules are an amazing sight to behold, allright, as Glenn Beck and others are revealing.

However, since they don’t understand what they are messing with, there’s no way their plans and schemes have taken the real America and Americans into account.

Recipe for failure.

Free expression of ideas is another bridge they will meet American Patriots on.


23 posted on 08/27/2009 1:56:50 AM PDT by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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To: A Navy Vet; Neil E. Wright

FYI


24 posted on 08/27/2009 1:57:58 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Progressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: iowamark
"Don't be ridiculous."

Sounds ridiculous I'll admit, but I'm not the one that started talking like this - not by a long shot.

Ten years ago this kind of talk began in liberal universities - and the media had a NM professor on TV talking about how it would be best to break this nation up into five - a minimum of three smaller nations. Liberals have wanted this to 'weaken' the US. Like I said, they don't know what they are messing with.

25 posted on 08/27/2009 2:02:30 AM PDT by Ron C. (Wake up - Go see how it really is - then speak from knowledge)
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To: txrangerette
"However, since they don’t understand what they are messing with, there’s no way their plans and schemes have taken the real America and Americans into account. Recipe for failure. Free expression of ideas is another bridge they will meet American Patriots on.

Damn, I love you Texans...always have. I've often told my wife when her parents pass (which is close), we're moving to Texas. Damn your humidity, we'll live with it...haha.

Trust me, I won't bring the California liberal gimme mentality with me. We would be an asset to your beautiful State.

26 posted on 08/27/2009 2:04:59 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Progressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: Ron C.
"Neither will I! I'm in CA - but, not for long if things start getting hot... I'll grab the arsenal and head out!"

I know where I'm heading...do you?

27 posted on 08/27/2009 2:07:36 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Progressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: txrangerette
"They have no right to force me to buy an insurance product,..."

Interesting that no one talks about that section of the House bill.

28 posted on 08/27/2009 2:10:20 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Progressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: occamrzr06
"I beleive both of you are wrong. I hope both of you are right, but I just see things differantly."

How can we be both in your thinking? What? States' rights and/or revolution? Care to elaborate?

29 posted on 08/27/2009 2:13:11 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Progressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: A Navy Vet; txrangerette
I'm a Texan too - born in El Paso, 68 years ago today! (well, yesterday now...) ~big grin~

I've been a gun-totin' cowboy hell bent for leather pokin' cows to earn my spending money during my teens... but, all that changed in the Navy (ping jockey) when electronics determined my career choices.

Dang folks, I've GOT to get'n the sack, or I'll be in trouble when that clock goes off! See y'all later...

30 posted on 08/27/2009 2:14:40 AM PDT by Ron C. (Wake up - Go see how it really is - then speak from knowledge)
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To: Ron C.
"Expect to see more than a million, with ropes (with nooses already formed,) standing outside the doors of Congress."

Wishful thinking - never happen.

31 posted on 08/27/2009 2:15:02 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Regressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: Ron C.

Good talking with you Shipmate. Sleep easy.


32 posted on 08/27/2009 2:16:39 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Regressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: A Navy Vet
"Wishful thinking - never happen."

Sadly, you're right I'm afraid. But, there was a time....

Now... I really gotta go... have a great one, all of you!

33 posted on 08/27/2009 2:17:29 AM PDT by Ron C. (Wake up - Go see how it really is - then speak from knowledge)
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To: A Navy Vet

Humidity, hmmm?

I live in dry West Texas, but was born and raised in the DFW Metroplex and have been to Austin, San Antonio and the Houston area when it was HOT to go with that humidity.

So I know whereof you speak.

Just remember the commercials that used to be on national tv about the size and diverse nature of Texas:

“Texas...it’s a whole other country”.


34 posted on 08/27/2009 2:20:06 AM PDT by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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To: Ron C.

The trouble is that this law only applies to guns in which there’s already a national market, like the farmer’s wheat from that other infamous commerce clause case, and not machine guns, in which the national market is strangled, which even the Supreme Court acknowledged.

The Feds will probably just make the same argument that they made back then - that locally-produced firearms “affect” interstate commerce in firearms by reducing sales of non-Montana firearms in Montana.

If they hadn’t excluded machine guns, they might have a better case since the interstate market in machine guns is so minimal, but at least they included silencers which fall under the same regulatory regimen as machine guns.


35 posted on 08/27/2009 2:26:03 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: txrangerette
So west Texas is fairly dry? That would actually make since being so close to New Mexico. Guess I'm thinking about down towards the Gulf.

Can my wife and I have a personal invite to move to your great state if we don't bring the liberal CA ideology with us? We're very close to moving out of this deviant state.

We've thought about northern Arizona because it's also an open carry state and it's similar weather up there, but it's kind of expensive up around Flagstaff and way too hot in the south region around Phoenix. Where's a reasonably priced area in west Texas if I may ask?

36 posted on 08/27/2009 2:30:10 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Regressive Socialism Failures!)
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To: A Navy Vet
There wouldn't be a second Civil war because I believe a majority of the military would agree with the States. I don't think the leftist in the country have nearly enough supporters who would be willing to fight an actual war for their cause.

The States can do this because they will have more support than the federal government and most of the people who support the feds would still not be willing to go to war.

37 posted on 08/27/2009 2:44:24 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Obama is a fraud and is ineligible for the Presidency!)
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To: A Navy Vet
If the federal government gets it's way, and the supreme court sided with them the Constitution would be completely irrelevant. The only choice then would be to leave the Union and\or another civil war. The federal government clearly has no constitutional power to interfere with the States on issues like these.
38 posted on 08/27/2009 2:49:42 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Obama is a fraud and is ineligible for the Presidency!)
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To: Ron C.

Movin to Monta-ana soon.....


39 posted on 08/27/2009 3:04:40 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior; Neil E. Wright
"There wouldn't be a second Civil war because I believe a majority of the military would agree with the States. I don't think the leftist in the country have nearly enough supporters who would be willing to fight an actual war for their cause. The States can do this because they will have more support than the federal government and most of the people who support the feds would still not be willing to go to war.

First, I don't believe for a second the Military would fire on their US citizens and their brothers - a different time. Plus, any uprising would not be a "civil war" (as between the States). If it were to occur it would be a "revolutionary war" against the facists in DC. The Military is not their biggest supporter even though they have to follow the orders of the civilian leadership. That would stop at illegal orders firing on American civilians. I could actually imagine a military coup or at least non-compliance.

Secondly, I don't believe it will ever happen for the reasons you say. However, now that I'm seeing the individual States restating their sovereignty and Constitutional rights, things could come to shove. Makes a person wonder how many States' rights individuals would actually take up arms. I highly doubt many would, but many of the States are on course to tell the Fedgov to shove it anyway, and again, would the Fedgov actually order the Military to fire on their brothers and other family? Think not.

If the Fedgov wants to push the issue, then certain States may look at other means, other that "nullification". "Personally, I don't see a RWII. Too many people have grown weak, complacent, and want stuff. However, again, if the States' government just simply told the Fedgov to shove their mandates and nullify such, we could head back to our Constitutional Republic without a shot being fired.

That and term limits and reduced Congressional sessions are the answer to our problems. Tough stuff to do, but those are the paths back to our heritage.

40 posted on 08/27/2009 3:07:00 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are actually Regressive; Think Regressive Socialism Failures!)
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