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Mercury Marine union in Wis. rejects concessions (8000 jobs lost) Mercury Marine moving to OK
AP ^ | 8-23-09 | AP

Posted on 08/23/2009 3:10:52 PM PDT by Indy Pendance

FOND DU LAC, Wis. – Union workers at Mercury Marine put their jobs at risk Sunday when they rejected a package of wage and benefit concessions the boat engine maker said it needed or it would move their work to a nonunion plant in Oklahoma.

Union leaders did not immediately release Sunday's tally but said the vote was "overwhelming" to reject what the company called its final offer.

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, Local 1947, represents 850 workers at Mercury Marine, the largest employer in the eastern Wisconsin city of Fond du Lac and the world's largest manufacturer of boat and recreational marine engines.

Mercury Marine issued a statement after the vote saying it will move many of its Fond du Lac manufacturing operations to its facility in Stillwater, Okla., over the next two to three years. The company said it would continue to operate the Fond du Lac facility for now under the terms and conditions of the existing contract, which expires in 2012.

"This has been a very difficult and stressful process for all involved," Mark Schwabero, president of Mercury Marine, said in a statement. "We will work closely with our team in Fond du Lac to develop and communicate a transition plan for this 24-36 month process."

Mercury Marine spokesman Steve Fleming had said last week that if the offer was rejected, the union and company could resume talks and hold another vote this coming Saturday, but its offer would not change.

Local 1947 President Mark Zillges said Friday there would be no further negotiations. He did not immediately return a phone call Sunday seeking comment.

Fond du Lac city manager Thomas Herre called the vote "a huge disappointment."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: atlasshrugged; doyle; manufacturing; mercurymarine; obamafailurer; ok; oklahoma; unions; wi; wisconsin
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To: ColdWater
Are you saying all white collar workers are pukes?

LOL. Of course not. I was merely including another posters comments who was frustrated that his white collar SIL was about to lose his job because of the union's vote. It was his sarcasm, not mine, and was based on his frustration that the white collar folks didn't have a say in this.
321 posted on 08/24/2009 7:13:42 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Indy Pendance
Why would anyone vote themselves out of a job? Are people this brain dead?????

Remember Eastern Airlines? Same union.

322 posted on 08/24/2009 7:15:54 AM PDT by saminfl ( FUBO)
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To: SeattleBruce
According to the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development website, strikers are not eligible for unemployment compensation.
323 posted on 08/24/2009 7:21:21 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

According to the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development website, strikers are not eligible for unemployment compensation.
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What about at the federal level, or through presidential executive order? Can a czar be involved?


324 posted on 08/24/2009 7:37:21 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: EDINVA

My fear is that the very same morons who voted with the union against their employer (not to mention self interest), and who can be counted on to vote a straight D ticket, will migrate south and alter the landscape in right-to-work states.
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Can they be re-educated? Especially with (economic) reality?


325 posted on 08/24/2009 7:39:06 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: PGR88

I knew union guys on the assembly line at our local Chevy plant who would purposely not tighten nuts down, etc, etc..... when they were angry or knew they were going to be fired...
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Nice. Pride in your work/profession - sound like journalists.


326 posted on 08/24/2009 7:39:56 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: sgtyork
several callers from Fond du Lac to Milwaukee talk shows said that they thought the vote would be for the contract based on the coworkers they knew.

I find it curious that the union leaders wouldn't release the tally yesterday, but it was "overwhelming". I'd figure out a way to find out, in general, what the actual sentiment was among my coworkers before I just accepted the union leaders' assertions.
327 posted on 08/24/2009 7:49:44 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Covenantor
"So pretty much all of the output and mfr. machinery will be sabotaged over the next 24-36 months."

You got it. So if you purchase Mercury Marine engines, only purchase those made after 2012 or before 2009.

328 posted on 08/24/2009 7:50:35 AM PDT by libs_kma (F.U.B.O.)
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To: blam

and Nissan plant in Smyrna, Tennessee, VW about to open plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee too.

Also, Nissan not only manufactures here, they moved their American corporate headquarters from L.A. to Nashville.


329 posted on 08/24/2009 7:56:04 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: listenhillary

Okay, so say I work for a manufacturing plant and a union wants to form. I get to vote but I don’t want a union, so I’ll vote no. Card Check means that my vote won’t be private?

How is that Constitutional?


330 posted on 08/24/2009 7:58:31 AM PDT by navymom1
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To: SeattleBruce

“Can they be re-educated? Especially with (economic) reality?”

Unfortunately, NO !! We’ve seen in VA a migration from the ‘rust belt,’ New York/New England, points North.

I know people personally who moved here because of VA’s more favorable tax climate. And, guess what? They STILL vote Democrat, and have now turned our fine red state purple, veering blue.

The problem is that by the time they vote in the tax/spenders, those elected pass their woeful legislation, and it gets implemented, affecting the budget, too much time has passed for them to understand that it all goes back to their vote.

I once heard our former Governor/Senator Robb brag (or lament) that the last time the US had a surplus was when his father-in-law (LBJ) was POTUS. Well, duh! We had a surplus until the effects of LBJ’s “Great Society” kicked in. And we have never recovered.

Folks raised in the environment of unionism, and government generosity that can’t be afforded, see NO correlation between their votes and the eventual decline of a given jurisdiction. THey are politically uneducable.

Mercury workers, please .. stay in Wisconsin.


331 posted on 08/24/2009 8:01:34 AM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: navymom1

It doesn’t really violate the constitution in anyway that I can see. Maybe someone else can enlighten us.

When the government decided they could tell how much wheat a man could grow on his own farm, the levee was breached as to overstepping the constitution. Not to mention FDR blowing away any shred of constitutional limits on government with his countless government agencies and meddling in the free market.

It is a horrible thing to impose on businesses. If card check passes, we now have the internet so union thug’s names and addresses can be spread around. We’ll see if they will stand up to citizens who don’t want unions when the union bosses and thugs can’t hide.


332 posted on 08/24/2009 8:09:17 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: PAR35

They have an existing contract thru 2012. Keeping the plant open as they plan the transition to OK is a good move. There may be some sabotage, but there will also be people angling to be part of the transition team and people angling for transfers. There will be some motivation to keep production and quality up in order to delay rather than expedite the total transition of work out of state.


333 posted on 08/24/2009 8:23:50 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Indy Pendance
Doyle won because of WEAC (teacher's union), Indian Casino money and Tommy Thompson endorsed his brother over McCallum, the Republican.
I will NEVER forgive Tommy Thompson for his part in electing Doyle
The teacher's union in Wisconsin is responsible for much of the demise of this state and should be held accountable as well.
334 posted on 08/24/2009 8:31:53 AM PDT by madinmadtown (Nuclear...better to mispronounce it, than not understand it.)
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To: Indy Pendance

This is beyond stupid. It’s a shame, “Fondu” is a great little town.


335 posted on 08/24/2009 8:33:25 AM PDT by MNSlim
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To: Indy Pendance

The IAM will not accept responsibility for this. They will simply blame the evil capitalist Mercury Marine for being selfish and heartless with their refusal to see the IAM’s point of view.

The IAM will then lay the blame right at MM’s feet, no way, no how will the IAM accept the blame.

I’ve seen it done in aerospace, this is how they manipulate their rube members.

BTW, good for MM for their decision to call the IAM’s bluff and go forward with their move to OK.

SZ


336 posted on 08/24/2009 8:50:44 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: ponygirl

Sort of. Non Union Employees still have to pay the Unions to represent them.


337 posted on 08/24/2009 8:56:48 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Self-ping


338 posted on 08/24/2009 8:57:47 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: EDINVA

Not everyone voted against the Mercury proposal. There were some people with intelligence who knew better. It’s sort of like us Freepers getting screwed because an ignorant majority of people voted for zero.

I feel bad for the state of Wisconsin, my real home state. I left Wisconsin for Tennessee years ago. When I left, I never envisioned how ignorant the unions and government would become (and many of the people too). Do they not realize they have inflicted financial wounds upon themselves? Do they not understand that business is not done in a vacuum? Doyle is like Obama...he has accelerated the demise of the state.

Unfortunately, I do not see Wisconsin recovering for 20 years. They just don’t get it. And as a “native”, it’s really sad.


339 posted on 08/24/2009 8:58:54 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: SeattleBruce

In reading up on this further, it looks like the union isn’t on strike, it has just rejected a company proposal to renegotiate the existing contract.


340 posted on 08/24/2009 9:06:34 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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