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NYT: DEMS PLAN TO GO IT ALONE ON HEATHCARE... DEVELOPING...(Drudge)
Drudge & New York Times ^ | August 18, 2009 | Carl Hulse and Jeff Zeleny

Posted on 08/18/2009 5:16:39 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP

Edited on 08/18/2009 8:43:13 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Boucheau
>There is no chance in hell that they can reverse this

Your evidence for this claim?

261 posted on 08/18/2009 6:56:49 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Red in Blue PA

The downside is these fools think obamas approval rating will go back up to 80% within a week after this bill is signed

the sad truth is, it might. PT Barnum was right.


262 posted on 08/18/2009 6:56:57 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: penelopesire
"Thanks for the clarification. Our only hope is to go to these townhalls and raise hell!!"

It's actually rather sad that people are contemplating recall for the congress. Not that many of these Congressional reprobates don't deserve it, but because the House was designed to precisely reflect the contemporary mood of the country. It was to be held hostage to the populist outrage of the electorate. But, because of 236 years of gerrymandering, far too many US Representatives go virtually unchallenged each election cycle. What you have essentially are 45 to 55 seats that are actually in play each year. Not good.

263 posted on 08/18/2009 6:57:16 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Plutarch

“According to Dick Morris, the essence of the plan is to take money from Grandma through Medicare cuts, and give to immigrants.

So, if they ram this through, they’ve got to ram Amnesty through to, so as to get those votes to save them.”

Sadly, from the get-go cause of the housing crisis (”Ownership Society”) to the stimulus (refinancing and jobs for illegals), healthcare (for illegals) and the coming amnesty....it’s always been about continuing to catering to the illegal aliens already in this country. It’s a bipartisan effort...he who does it best gains the vote.

Without healthcare reform, IMO, Obama is a failure to his party...they WILL NOT allow this to fail. They’ll vote without us.


264 posted on 08/18/2009 6:58:24 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin supports a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY for illegal aliens. .... DEMINT '12)
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To: Sargent

” On Olberman last night, .. That gives 42 votes FOR the deal.”

I watched a few minutes of Obamaman tonight and he and Larry O’Donnell were two very unhappy campers.
Which is why I kept watching.
They were under the impression that Obamacare was on life support.
And near death.
Of course, never count out the stupid Senate Republicans.
They’ll probably give it CPR.


265 posted on 08/18/2009 6:58:55 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: All
May be they will go it alone on the so called “co-op”. The Republicans are not going to vote on “co-op”. The democrats can now claim that they did not vote for public option/
266 posted on 08/18/2009 6:59:28 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.

**This is a high volume ping list! (sign of the times)**


267 posted on 08/18/2009 7:00:30 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

If they do this then unless they are in a very liberla district they can pretty much count on being voted out the next time. 80% of us don’t want the governemnt involved in our healthcare and are happy with what we have. If they do this then the next congress will just come in reverse everything and it will all be for naught. I personally think the powers that be are looking for the reaction to this so we should be screaming bloody murder over the new news!


268 posted on 08/18/2009 7:00:41 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Kimberly GG

This plan has been engineered by Ezekiel Emanuel, who is the modern day Democrat successor to Dr. Mengele.

Read the plan here:

http://www.healthcareguaranteed.org/HealthCare_Guaranteed/FAQs.html

Dick Morris is right on in his analysis.


269 posted on 08/18/2009 7:01:57 PM PDT by Palladin (Obamacare=Emanuelcare=Mengelecare!)
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To: penelopesire

Penelopesire, I think they know exactly how real our anger is. They just don’t care. They have decided that they are going to do what they want, regardless of what we think.

Someone upthread, (sorry, I neglected to note the poster), said Obama had been quoted recently as saying that he did not care if he was a one term President, that he was pushing Healthcare through. IMHO, his true goal is to reduce this nation to rubble, in order to rebuild it as a socialist state. Hence - “Punch back twice as hard.”

Tatt


270 posted on 08/18/2009 7:02:08 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: Cboldt

Right but do you agree Obama/Emanuel are steering this? You are correct though.


271 posted on 08/18/2009 7:03:31 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: GOP_Lady; All

At least they use their super majority to their own benefit. If the GOP did that to further a small-government plan, we wouldn’t be in such a mess.


272 posted on 08/18/2009 7:03:55 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: thesearethetimes...; Squantos; MeekOneGOP; tubebender; NormsRevenge; SouthTexas; don-o; Eaker; ...

Gauntlet.

273 posted on 08/18/2009 7:04:21 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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To: thecabal

Hiroshima was a pile of rubble and is now a thriving city.

I am sad to say that the same (though only metaphorically) may be required here. People will only “get it” once this trash passes, as they have with TARP, cap and trade and on and on.


274 posted on 08/18/2009 7:04:30 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

This is a trial balloon and nothing else.


275 posted on 08/18/2009 7:05:32 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

God bless ya for watching that fool.


276 posted on 08/18/2009 7:05:57 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: thecabal

At this rate, I do not think there will be a 2010 election.


277 posted on 08/18/2009 7:07:10 PM PDT by luv2ndamend (May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. — Samue)
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To: ru4liberty
Unfortunately, we'll be the ones paying the price.

Yep. Once this monster is signed into law and is a couple of years old, the damage will have been done. The country will be broke, the government will be bloated like a wood tick on a dog's ear, and socialism will be the way it is. At that point there won't be too many options.
278 posted on 08/18/2009 7:09:33 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; Boucheau
"Your evidence for this claim?"

Social Security & Medicair are people's exhibits one and two. Big social programs are not ever dismantled, at least not before now. I suppose that there's always a chance for this happening, but historical precedent isn't very promising.

And, make no mistake, this would be the biggest expansion of the Federal Government, ever. It wouldn't happen overnight, but eventually - and probably faster than many think - the Feds would be in control of one sixth of our GDP. How do you walk that back? You don't.

279 posted on 08/18/2009 7:10:43 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Enough scary details get bandied about and the Rats will be sent packing home and the program get virtually amended out of existence.

Things implemented rarely get unimplemented.

Of course this time....we are not going to be able to borrow or print money for decades to pay for it. Probably only a few years to do that at most before default.
280 posted on 08/18/2009 7:11:05 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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