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How Christian Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War
DC Examiner ^ | 8/18/09 | Daniel Allott

Posted on 08/18/2009 6:21:11 AM PDT by steve-b

It's a long and ignominious list. First there was Newt Gingrich. Then came Larry Craig, Mark Foley, David Vitter, Chip Pickering and Vito Fossella. Now starring John Ensign and Mark Sanford.

Politically, sex scandals are equal-opportunity destroyers. For every David Vitter, there is an Eliot Spitzer. For every John Ensign there's a John Edwards. For every Bill Clinton there's... well, there's only one Slick Willie. But you get the point: Sexual scandal knows no party.

Yet, a common denominator linking many political sex scandals of the last few years is the involvement of conservative Christian politicians who, it seemed, had made sexual responsibility and marital fidelity cornerstones of their public and private lives. These figures reflect a broader reality: Many conservative Christians struggle to live up to the moral standards they espouse....

The Barna Group, a Christian polling firm, recently found that the divorce rate among evangelical Christians was 32 percent, statistically identical to the 33 percent figure among non-evangelical American adults.

In 2007, The State of Our Unions report by the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University concluded that though red-staters are more likely to be religious and politically conservative, they also are more likely to divorce than those from blue states....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; adultery; barna; christians; culturewars; gop; liberalhitpiece; libhitpiece; scandals; trends
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1 posted on 08/18/2009 6:21:11 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b

“are losing”???? Christians lost a long time ago. They abandoned the field many decades ago. They eagerly gave up their rights and responsibilities to government over the years. Only now are some thinking that maybe something is wrong....a little late.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 6:28:05 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: SandWMan

Christians in America have fallen for the same tactic that the Christians in Germany fell for -

“separation of church and state”


3 posted on 08/18/2009 6:30:12 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: steve-b

Typical liberal pukeage.

I refuse to click the link and be nauseated any further.

Whenever you see such blatant and desperate efforts to link Christians Conservatives and low life toe-tappers....

Well, you know the rest of their arguments will be total garbage.


4 posted on 08/18/2009 6:31:01 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: steve-b
How Christian Conservatives Are Losing The Culture War

Look at the plummeting rate of support for abortion on demand and get back to me, RINO-boy.

5 posted on 08/18/2009 6:32:02 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: steve-b
Christians are winning the culture war... and we will win for eternity... remember... the left projects what they are doing on others... therefore this is an admission that the left is losing the culture war. It is not over... but the worm has turned.

LLS

6 posted on 08/18/2009 6:34:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: steve-b

Definitions are important. I suspect their definition of an Evangelical and mine would differ. In like manner - do any real Catholics support abortion?

I’ve seen surveys showing half of evangelicals don’t believe the Holy Spirit is God. That half isn’t evangelical - just dishonest in what they call themselves.

Catholic priests who want sex with little boys aren’t Catholic - they are tares amongst the wheat.


7 posted on 08/18/2009 6:37:13 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
The "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
8 posted on 08/18/2009 6:41:25 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: Mr Rogers

It seems like Christians have been loosing one thing or another for two thousand years. They are not the one’s in the war. The only question that has any importance has to do with God’s influence. That can not and will not be answered by a bunch of critics.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 6:43:06 AM PDT by Bowtie52
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To: Mr Rogers

It seems like Christians have been loosing one thing or another for two thousand years. They are not the one’s in the war. The only question that has any importance has to do with God’s influence. That can not and will not be answered by a bunch of critics.


10 posted on 08/18/2009 6:43:14 AM PDT by Bowtie52
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Christian conservatives have a higher marriage rate than "everyone else" (more of the latter just co-habit or stay single), so comparing divorce rates straight on is a bit erroneous, don't you think?..

But then you don't think all that deeply, do you, Mr Libertine?

11 posted on 08/18/2009 6:45:00 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: steve-b

Since when do Christians claim to be WITHOUT Sin?


12 posted on 08/18/2009 6:46:20 AM PDT by Marty62
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To: MrB

My atheist brother sent me a rant about Christians being involved in politics and he cited “separation of church and state”...poor guy, he received several emails from me and after the first one he had no replies because he knew he wasn’t going to win.


13 posted on 08/18/2009 6:50:06 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: steve-b

Christians will lose many battles before they win the war.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 6:51:54 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Responsibility2nd

But they have to make the argument because as long as there are Christians, government cannot have absolute power.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 6:54:22 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Nonstatist

I’m not sure you are on statistically solid ground with your objection to the comparison of Christian to non-Christian divorce rates.

That the populations in question are not similarly sized (although you did not document that), doesn’t diminish the value of the statistical correspondence between the 2 populations.


17 posted on 08/18/2009 6:55:02 AM PDT by dmz
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To: steve-b

Wrong. Being an evangelical is ALL about what you believe, and who you believe in.

It also has a different start date than birth - so one friend of mine who divorced twice before becoming a Christian would be counted as a ‘twice-divorced evangelical’.

Being a Scot only involves where you were born.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 7:00:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Nonstatist

Er, you need to work on your math background. The use of a “rate” (i.e. fraction of the total) instead of a raw total is precisely to avoid that problem.


19 posted on 08/18/2009 7:00:43 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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Sexual scandal knows no party.

Totally disagree. Conservatives never get away with it. Liberals almost always do.

20 posted on 08/18/2009 7:04:12 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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