Posted on 08/17/2009 10:11:54 AM PDT by RobinMasters
If President Obama was born in Hawaii was it while the islands yet remained a territory of the United States?
A new wrinkle in the dispute over his birth – and whether he is eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that the president be none other than a "natural born" citizen – appeared today when Obama's MySpace page confirmed his age is 52.
That would mean if he was born on the islands that now make up the state of Hawaii it would have been during the archipelago's days as a territory for the United States, the status for the islands from about 1900 until it became a state in 1959.
It also conflicts with campaign and other White House information that have discussed his 48th birthday just a few days into this month.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Apologies to all. Yep, google is your friend. I’ll try to remember that in the future and avoid relying on my own personal and faulty memory banks.
But like most people I am better at using google to correct other people’s misinformation than I am at using it as a prophylactic against unwanted displays of personal ignorance.
Just the thin-skinned deluded ones.
Ah... I see. Are they allies with the nation of New Mexico?
The idea that natural born citizenship can only be conferred if both parents are also citizens is specious.
Yes..however, Goldwater didn't claim to be 5 years younger than he actually was, and he didn't hide his birth certificate. Problem is, we just don't know with 0bama, all his life records are hidden.
Maybe, but I’m not sure you are totally with it either. See below and we’ll all be straight.
American Citizenship
A person may become a United States citizen by birth or through naturalization. Generally, if you are born in the United States or born to U.S. citizens, you are born a U.S. citizen, unless you are born to a foreign diplomat. You are also considered a U.S. citizen at birth if you were born in Puerto Rico, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Your birth certificate will be your proof of your U.S. citizenship.
If you were born abroad to parents who are both an American citizen and at least one of them have lived in the United States some times in his/her life. If you are born abroad, your birth is registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, and that record will be proof of your citizenship. If you want your citizenship to be recognized, you may also obtain an American passport. You may also obtain additional proof of your citizenship by filling out Form N-600 Application for Certificate of Citizenship, with USCIS and obtain a Certificate of Citizenship. To request a Form N-600, you need to call the USCIS Forms Line at 1-800-8703676 or download the document online.
If you are born abroad to one United States citizen and one foreign citizen, you may be considered a U.S. citizen if you meet the following requirements:
One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born.
The parent who is a U.S. citizen has lived at least five years in the U.S. before you were born.
The parent who is a U.S. citizen must have lived in the U.S. for at least two years of these five years after his/her fourteenth birthday.
If you are a U.S. citizen by birth, you may be eligible to become a citizen through naturalization. People who are eighteen years old or older need to file a Form N-400, Application for Naturalization to become naturalized.
Your time as a Permanent Resident begins on the date you were granted permanent resident status. You can check the date you were granted permanent resident status on your Permanent Resident Card, which formally was known as Alien Registration Card.
Remember that you should always be honest with USCIS. If you have previously been arrested or convicted, you need to report that on your application even if you have not been arrested or convicted. These records will not disqualify you from becoming a U.S. citizen. However, if you do not tell the USCIS officer about any criminal incident, your application will be denied instantly, even if you have not committed any major crime.
http://www.american-citizenship.org/
Obama can end it any time he wants. That much is clear. Does he thinks it makes us us look bad?
Yes, you did. Don't compound your error by lying about it.
Look very carefully at you post again, and see if you can spot what you added that deceptively changed the meaning of your post.
The woman ever gave you a link to the actual USC section. Sheesh.
No they are sworn enemies of New Mexico.
This crazy talk has to end. If he was born in Hawaii then he is a U.S. citizen.
You do not know that.
Do you know how I know you don't know that?
Because NO ONE knows what the phrase Natural Born Citizen means.
Natural born was defined once. In a 1790 law. The 1795 law that replaced it drops the reference to "Natural Born".
To the best of my knowledge, this was the first, last and only use of the term "Natural Born Citizen" in legislated law.
The term hasn't had an actual legal definition since.
Unless and until SCOTUS sees fit to clearly define the term the Founding Fathers though was just too obvious for words, I'm in the to be a Natural Born Citizen one must be born on US soil (jus soli) AND of US citizen parentS (jus sanguinis) AND have no other citizenships at birth.
To hold this singular office one must have no hint of divided loyalties or allegiances.
YMMV...
See post #80.
This would be a good place to either apologize or quietly drop it and slink away...
Are you suggesting I should do that? Why?
Please stop ascribing to SCOTUS powers that it does not have, they are out of control enough as it is.
Excuse me?
I may have made an error in copying it,,but lied?
B.S.
BTW... If I wanted a lecture, I’d listen to my wife!
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Not opinion of any reasonable person, it is the fact of the law regarding births in Hawaii or any territory in the fifties or sixties. That law was the INA of 1952. By its standards he had citizenship conferred on him at birth whether Hawaii was a state or a territory because one of his parents was a US citizen who had resided in the US or its territories for one year prior to his birth. that is the law at that time.
This is really making us look like children.
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You are kidding, right? I really hope so.
gracious response.
I believe that Frank Marshall Davis wrote about having sex with a 13 year old white girl in his autobiographical sex book, the name of which escapes me. Hmmmm.
It’s simple. There was NO closing quotation mark in the test you copied from, but you added a closing quotation mark to it in your post, making it appear that the statement about the person meeting those conditions is eligible for the office of President of the U. S. is in that U. S. Code section.
The lying I was cautioning you about was when you later insisted that you had not added anything to the quote. I said that you had added something. By adding the closing quotation mark, you made it appear that you had added a sentence that is not in the U. S. Code. And, of course, as I just established, you added teh closing quotation mark.
If your post #80 had been available for me to read before posting my #88 in reply to your #72, I would not have posted #88. Clear?
That’s it.
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