Posted on 08/09/2009 7:44:02 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Dean on Palin’s health care claims: ‘She made that up’ Posted: August 9th, 2009 10:17 AM ET
From From CNN's David deSola
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean told CNN Sunday that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin had deliberately made up charges that the Obama administration’s health care bill would lead to euthanasia.
“About euthanasia, they're just totally erroneous. She just made that up,” he said. “Just like the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ that she supposedly didn't support.
“There's nothing like euthanasia in the bill. I practiced medicine for a long time, and of course you have to have end of life discussions — the patients want that. There's nothing… euthanasia's not in this bill.”
Dean was referring comments Palin made late Friday in a post on her Facebook page. In her post, the former Republican vice presidential candidate said President Obama’s health care plan would create a “death panel” that would weigh whether her parents or son Trig were “worthy of health care.”
She discounted the administration’s view that the president’s plan would cut health care costs, saying the only path to lower costs was less treatment.
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Palin is dead on and dean is an evil liar... next...
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Who the hell cares what Howard Dean says...besides, I agree with Sarah and back her all the way.
Just two words to remember: TERRI SCHIAVO.
Demoncraps EXULTED when that poor woman was executed.
These people thrive on BLOOD.
Dean needs to just READ THE BILL!
Riiight. The evidence is overwhelming of what Obama’s true intent is with healthcare, seniors, and those not considered ‘worthy’ of help when ‘others’ have need.
I assume Citizen Dean flagged her statement as fishy and sent it to The Authorities at the Ministry of Truth.
So, YOU'RE the one who read it, huh?
Boy...it’s a good thinkg Dean is a credible resource, otherwise...
and in other news Dean is still insane
Hey Howard, there was nothing about euthanasia in Palin's statements. Palin's statement concerned the inherent need to ration health care once it is free and easily available to everyone. The government bureaucracy will have to make decisions on who gets care and who doesn't.
We need to ask the public one simple question...and I’d phrase it this way:
Do we really want to entrust these same people with our healthcare? Look at their track record...
The word “euthanasia” is not in the bill.
The bill simply has a provision for good people to help other good people come to the correct end of life decisions and to “help them with that process”.
It’s all about “helping”.
Yes...but ABC and the other nets continue to try and marginalize her.
They do it daily.
YYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
Pg 22 of the bill MANDATES the government will audit books of all employers that self insure
Pg 30 Sec 123 of the bill provides for a government committee that decides what treatments and benefits we receive
Pg 29 lines 4-16 – Provides the mechanism whereby health care will be rationed
Pg 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your health care benefits for you. You have no choice.
PG 50 Section 152 in the bill – All care will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58 – The government will have real-time access two your financial records and a National ID health card will be issued! (Do all of my fellow Comrades grasp the meaning of THIS?)
Pg 59 - lines 21-24 – The government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan specifically for retirees and their families in unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 lines 8-14 – The government is creating an Healthcare Exchange to bring private health plans completely under government control
PG 84 Sec 203 – The government will mandate ALL benefit packages for private plans shall be contained in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 of the bill – Specifications are included for of Benefit Levels for all inclusive Plans = The government will ration your healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 of the bill mandates linguistic appropriate services. Interpreters must be provided for by all healthcare providers. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 of the bill, lines 8-18 – The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to enroll people into the government healthcare plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Provides the specifications of benefit levels for medical care plans. Age, current health, etc. will be factors in determining treatment. The elderly and those with long-term needs will be most effected. RATIONING
PG 102 Lines 12-18 – Medicaid eligible persons will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
Pg 124 lines 24-25 – No company can sue the government on price fixing. No “judicial review” against the government monopoly
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 – The government will set strict guidelines on fees for services. Doctors may not charge more
Pg 145 Line 15-17 – All employers MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE (or suffer the penalties noted below)
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay for healthcare for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 - Any employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide the public option health care (In addition to any other plan.) pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 - Any business with a payroll between $251k & $400k who does not provide the public health care plan option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 – Any individual who doesn’t have health care approved by the federal government will be taxed 2.5% of income
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 of the bill – Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes noted above (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 Of the bill – Federal employees of the Health Care administration shall have access to the health, personal and business financial records of ALL Americans
PG 203 Line 14-15 of the bill states: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it really says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 of the bill - The government will reduce physician services 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 of the bill – All physicians’ fees for services will be equalized. Regardless of their specialty, all doctors will receive the same set amount for services provided.
PG 253 Line 10-18 of the bill states that government will determine the value of the physician’s time with each patient. This sets a value for humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131 – The government shall mandate and control productivity metrics for private healthcare industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 – The government shall regulate the rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145 – Treatment of certain diseases shall be strictly controlled by the government. Hospitals/hospices that provide treatment for late-stage cancer patients will be carefully managed by the government. Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 – The government will reserve the right to penalize hospitals for what the federal health care administration deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 – Any physician who treats a patient during an initial admission, may be penalized by the government, should that patient require readmission.
Pg 317 lines 13-20 – The federal government will set guidelines and limits on how much property and other tangible assets a physician may own
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 - Prohibits expansion of hospitals (public or privately owned, for, or non-profit) except upon approval by the health care administration
pg 321 lines 2-13 – WRT the above, hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 – The government shall mandate establishment of outcome-base medical care procedures. Rationing…needs-based healthcare. (The elderly better watch out!)
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 - The government has the authority to disqualify Medicare supplemental plans, HMOs, and other plans. This will force us into the government plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 – The government may restrict the enrollment of special needs persons. Not good…my niece has Down’s syndrome!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 – The government health care system will employ tens of thousands of new federal employees to run the system. There will be for example, a “Telehealth Advisory Committee” Health care by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 – The government will mandate “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” for the elderly. This one scares the hell out of me! Think seniors and “end of life”. If you bring no benefit to the community…you are doomed.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 – The government will ensure that all citizens have living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory for all.
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 – The government will provide an approved list of “end-of-life” resources, guiding us in death.
PG 427 Lines 15-24 – The government end of life program will determine how you will spend your last days in this world. You will not.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 – Another reference to the “advanced care planning consultation” that will be used to prepare terminal patients and their families for the end. (I wonder if they will also determine the drugs to be used in putting me down.)
PG 429 Lines 10-12 – The “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the government to end your life at the appropriate moment…NOT determined by your physician and family.
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which physicians may write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 – The government will decide what level of treatment terminal patients will receive near end of life
Pg 469 – Provide for Community Based Home Medical Services, i.e., non profit organizations shall be permitted to provide appropriate health care clinics and services…ACORN?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 – The federal government will pay the community based organizations for operation of the community-based medical care system…ACORN again?
PG 489 Sec 1308 – The government will provide for and control family therapy care. They are now into your most intimate affairs of your marriage.
http://investment-blog.net/health-care-rumors/
Erroneous? Really?
Oregon Offers to Pay to Kill, but Not to Treat Cancer Patient
SALEM, Oregon, June 4, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Lung cancer patient, Barbara Wagner, was recently notified that her oncologist-prescribed medication that would slow the growth of cancer would not be covered by the Oregon Health Plan; the plan, however, she was informed, would cover doctor-assisted suicide should she wish to kill herself.
"Treatment of advanced cancer that is meant to prolong life, or change the course of this disease, is not a covered benefit of the Oregon Health Plan," read the letter notifying Wagner of the health plan's decision.
Wagner says she was shocked by the decision. "To say to someone, we'll pay for you to die, but not pay for you to live, it's cruel," she told the Register-Guard. "I get angry. Who do they think they are?"
This past Monday morning, however, Wagner had reason to rejoice. A representative from the company that manufactures the treatment called the cancer patient to say they would give her the medication for free.
"I am just so thrilled," she said. "I am so relieved and so happy."
Dr. Walter Shaffer, medical director of the state Division of Medical Assistance Programs, which administers the Oregon Health Plan, attempted to defend the health plan's decision. "We can't cover everything for everyone," he said. "We try to come up with polices that provide the most good for the most people." Shaffer then addressed a priority list that had been developed to ration health care. "There's some desire on the part of the framers of this list to not cover treatments that are futile," he said, "or where the potential benefit to the patient is minimal in relation to the expense of providing the care."
According to an AP story on Wagner's case, local oncologists in Oregon have said that, despite the Health Services Commission's assertion that they were just clarifying policies already in place, healthcare practitioners have observed a sizable shift in policy in the way recurrent cancer is treated in the state. Increasingly, say local oncologists, sufferers of recurrent cancer are not receiving coverage for chemotherapy. They are always, however, eligible for state-funded assisted suicide.
Wesley J. Smith, a prominent conservative bioethicist, says that he was not surprised by the events.
"We have been warning for years that this was a possibility in Oregon. Medicaid is rationed, meaning that some treatments are not covered. But assisted suicide is always covered. And now, Barbara Wagner was faced with that very scenario."
Smith also mentioned a similar circumstance that had occurred in the past: "This isn't the first time this has happened either. A few years ago a patient who needed a double organ transplant was denied the treatment but would have been eligible for state-financed assisted suicide."
Not so erroneous after all, huh?
I hope the left trots out dean as their poster boy for obama-scare
When Palin said that President Obama’s health care plan would create a “death panel” that would weigh whether her parents or son Trig were “worthy of health care,” she was not referring to euthanasia-related provisions. She was talking about the new panel that would determine formulas to calculate what procedures and other care would be allowed for various categories of patients.
Those decisions WILL result in the deaths of many patients, but not by specific euthanasia procedures.
So, once again, Dean lies.
She didn't say it was in the bill, dorkhead Dean! She said it would lead to .... Sarah understands libs' sneaky incrementalism. Libs think the rest of us do not.
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