The burden of proof

Times Herald ^ | 8/8/09 | Warren Bonesteel

[pissant]

For just a moment, let's forget about people like "Dr." Orly Taitz and what may or may not be faked documents. People on both sides of the Obama birth certificate issue have gone completely off the deep end over this topic. Admittedly, for some people on both sides, it was a fairly short trip.

Now, with all of that behind us...

The burden of proof does not rest upon those who doubt the claimant. The burden of proof rests solely upon the claimant. Mr. Obama has said, "I am qualified to be president." For more than a year, more than 40 million American citizens have said, "Prove it." Mr. Obama and his supporters have said in reply, "Prove that I'm not!"

Mr. Obama, et al, have offered a simple and obvious burden of proof fallacy in support of their claims and then followed it up with appeals to ridicule, to popularity, to authority and to false dilemma/false choice -- "Believe me or else you're a nut job!"

In view of the lack of presentation of an original document, there can only be one rational conclusion: An original document does not exist, or if it does actually exist, it contains information that disproves the assertions made by Mr. Obama, the claimant.

[hoosiermama]

At this point I don’t think it matters much what gets out there only that it does....The average person in the grocery store hasn’t read enough to analyze the article critically...and what is important is that the articles does a VERY good job of instilling doubt in anyone who reads it...
IMO most printed material is BS and incorrectly edited at that.

I know, you want to be accurate, but the GLOBE is hardly a court of law.

Do appreciate all that you have done.

[hoosiermama]

Did you read the others? What direction did they lean?

[El Gato]

A third is that there is something so politically embarrassing , ( race or religion or paternity ?) that it must be suppressed at all costs .

Can't be religion, that's not on a 1961 Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. Father's name, age and birthplace *are* on the Certificate. Even assuming that he was born in Hawaii, that would provide proof that he is not natural born, since it's easily established that his legal father, the British subject Barrack Hussein Obama, was not at the time, or ever, a US citizen.

[Frantzie]

I need to check CVS. They were almost hiding Globes but you see Oprah, People, Time, the O plates and assorted O s**t. We should all go out and buy copies of The Globe. I thought this story was "dead."

[Genoa]

“[Natural born] Citizen until proven otherwise?”

The problem is that the only person who is authorized to release the documentation is . . . the claimant. He has a moral, ethical, and logical obligation to do so. (And how we wish there were a legal obligation too!)

[patriot08]

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Canada Free Press
JB Williams

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials!

Dr. Orly’s official website:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Or Dr. Orly’s blog:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

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[Vendome]

There are the usual posts about the COLB being verified by Hawaii, it is certified, etc.

The foundation to all this is that the document was never examined by any official responsible for verifying it’s integrity.

Why didn’t Barry release one of the other two Long Forms he has had in his possession for some twenty years.

His citizenship at a minimum is divided being born with dual citizenship.

[hoosiermama]

Someone needs to suggest they read this weeks copy of the GLOBE. Freepers could refute several parts of it, but the average person couldn’t. I’m sure there are some housewives somewhere who opinions are changed and cemented by it....Remind them the tabloids were right about the blue dress, Edwards and __________________.

[Gemsbok]

This post needs repetition:
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Øbozo’s “catch-22” is this:

If Øbozo proves that he is natural born, he proves that his books are a lie, and that he is a TOTAL FRAUD.

[surfing_the_red_wave]

Hawaii released neither an original birth certificate nor COLB for Obama. Obama has not proven that he is eligible to serve as President. Forgery of a government document is a felony.

[null and void]

A third is that there is something so politically embarrassing , ( race or religion or paternity ?) that it must be suppressed at all costs .

His birth certificate says he's a girl. (JMHO, I've seen him pitch and Larry Sinclair says he catches, too)...

[Vendome]

A Certification of Live Birth is not an acceptable document.  A COLB carries very differently than a “certified birth certificate” as far as the law is concerned. 

 

A COLB is incomplete for determining who you are

 

In fact, a “certified birth certificate” is defined by the State Department quite clearly“

 

 

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

 

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

 

Here are Montana’s requirements:

http://www.doj.mt.gov/driving/requireddocuments.asp

 

 

Or you can consult the Department of Labor for what constitutes a “Birth Certificate”

Title 29, Section 32.14

 

It is here in PDF, on page 2 at the top:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/julqtr/pdf/28cfr32.13.pdf

 

 

You can see that many government agencies would not accept the COLB as a document sufficient for meeting their criteria.

 

I think that should be my next project: compile a list of government agencies and their requirements.

 

[Vendome]

Sorry about the formatting. don’t know what happened.

[Scanian]

Yes. And writing “Dr.” Orly Taitz is equivalent to writing “Seanator” Barbara Boxer.

[Scanian]

Yes. And writing “Dr.” Orly Taitz is equivalent to writing “Senator” Barbara Boxer.

[Sola Veritas]

“A simple vote does not legally override the constitution.”

Also, a vote of the people is not a constitutional method to ammend the constitution. If Americans are to the point where they see the “natural born” requirement as being passe, then the constitution needs to be properly ammended. That ISN’T going to happen...yet anyway.

[cripplecreek]

Attempting to change the constitution by simple vote is what got Honduras and Nigeria where they are today. (And Nicaragua tomorrow)

[Sola Veritas]

“Attempting to change the constitution by simple vote is what got Honduras and Nigeria where they are today.”

Agreed. While a referendum vote may be appropriate at the state level, it would be dangerous at the national level. The ammendment process for the U.S. Constitution was intentionally made hard to keep capricious change from occuring.

[cripplecreek]

The ammendment process for the U.S. Constitution was intentionally made hard to keep capricious change from occuring.

Exactly and its also why our government is supposed to work at a snails pace. This crap about the democrats wanting to ram all things through in a matter of days rather than months or years is extremely dangerous.

Then there is the matter of these 1000+ page bills. There's just no good reason for it other than to provide cover for all the goodies for congressmen and their friends and to keep Americans in the dark.

[Redwood Bob]

“A Certification of Live Birth is not an acceptable document. A COLB carries very differently than a “certified birth certificate” as far as the law is concerned.”

Sorry dude, but a Hawaii COLB will get you a driver’s license in any state or a U.S. passport from the State Dept. Or be accepted as prima facie evidence in any court of law.

Pound on the table or stomp on the floor if you like, but it won’t change that fact. You must impeach the information on the COLB itself. Try this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309830/posts?page=703#703