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The town hall revolts won't work
me | 08/08/09 | me

Posted on 08/08/2009 7:28:36 AM PDT by nitzy

Something occurred to me after watching all of the footage of the various town hall meetings and the citizen's vocal reaction to what their elected representatives are doing. These 50 or 100 people are really an insignificant percentage of the congress person's constituents. Unions members, television advertising, slick marketing, ACORN and Obama-bots will more than make up for even a relatively large group of pissed off citizens. Today, each representative has 700,000 constituents. That is not the way it has always been. The framers of the constitution intended that number to be between 50,000 and 60,000. The number of congressional districts always grew with each census. I will let you guess when the congressmen decided they were tired of seeing their individual power diluted every 10 years.(see my comment for the answer) Imagine how much louder your voice would be if your representative was actually a member of your community and your voice only competed with another 50,000 voices. Now, imagine how much harder it would be for an industry or special interest to bribe several thousand congressman than it would be to bribe 435. This would require thousands more representatives but they would in fact be required to REPRESENT or they would soon go back home for good. I would gladly accept 6000 representatives in exchange for 435 tyrants.

For more information see Thirty-Thousand.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: angrymob; congress; obamacare; power; representatives; townhall; townhalls; vanity
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To: gunnyg

But the good guys - us - have more guns, and we know how to hunt and survive.


21 posted on 08/08/2009 7:45:56 AM PDT by PIF
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To: darkwing104

I’m really looking forward to the ads showing Chuck Schumer commenting on those ‘ chattering classes and little porky projects’, Barney Frank comments, Chris Dodd, Charles Rangel, Nazi Pelosi, and Harry Reid, Maxine Waters, Conyers and so many more.....I will donate to the ads and to the opponents running against them! In fact I have quit watching and renting movies of ‘stars’, to do just that.


22 posted on 08/08/2009 7:46:29 AM PDT by Freddd (Government run health care=paying more and being denied what we already have.)
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To: nitzy

from your link...

“With some Congressional districts nearly twice as large as others,”

i do not object to the premise that we should have smaller congressional districts and more representatives in Congress

but the quote above is offered as one reason for reform, but no source is cited....is this large in area? or large in number of people represented? i thought that the number of people representated was the same in each congressional district.

i am interested to discover if this is wrong.

is it?


23 posted on 08/08/2009 7:47:58 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: nitzy
You may win the battle but you will never win the war for freedom.

Tell it to George Washington. Freedom isn't free, never has been and never will be, but it's worth fighting for.

24 posted on 08/08/2009 7:48:31 AM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: nitzy

The article mentions 50-100 or more people arguing against this, but sees it as insignificant. Well let’s put this into perspective...first off, these are normal, everyday citizens who would have NEVER gotten out and gone to town hall meetings before. So I look at the number and realize that’s 50 to 100X (times) more than were there before. Also, the paid acorn, seiu members and plants don’t usually have more than 20-30 people at one time.
Also, the POLLS are working in conjunction with the people revolting and that sends a message as well.

People, you must keep going to these meetings even if there are only three of you....you have to have a presence. Gosh, in Philadelphia there were about 400 people there and I would guess about 2/3 were against it. The look on Sebilius’ and Spector’s face was priceless. i THINK THEY THOUGHT Phila was a “lock”. As people see these town hall meetings on Youtube, Fox and other places it gives them hope.

Keep it going and who gives a crap about if it’s 50 or 1000....remember, only 1/3 of Americans believed the revolutionary war was worth fighting...1/3! Keep it going folks, this is the freedom of our children, friends and family we are fighting for!


25 posted on 08/08/2009 7:48:54 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: darkwing104

“The sound bytes from these meetings will be used against them in 2010”

The one from David Scotts town meeting where he accuses the white physician of not being one of his constituents(because he isn’t black?) is a doozy. Ya know, if ya ain’t black yure not allowed to ax a question.


26 posted on 08/08/2009 7:49:31 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: nitzy

If you have abandoned all hope, then kill yourself.


27 posted on 08/08/2009 7:49:34 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Godzilla

Also not mentioned in the reporting I’ve seen - many of the people “yelling” must - to be heard at the front of the room, since passing a mic around seems to be one thing not being done at these meetings - nor are comment lines being formed.


28 posted on 08/08/2009 7:49:36 AM PDT by PIF
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To: nitzy

SHOW UP IN WASHINGTON, DC on September 12th. They can’t ignore MILLIONS of well attired people.


29 posted on 08/08/2009 7:49:44 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: PIF
Or one can simply look to who see who was the assaulted one. So far, all the assaulted ones were protesters.

Such as this guy, the female doing the slapping is a Democrat party offical at a Tampa FLA town hall.

Democrat Party offical slaps protestor at health care town hall

30 posted on 08/08/2009 7:50:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Obamanomics: we have to destroy the US Economy in order to save it!)
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To: PIF

“But the good guys - us - have more guns, and we know how to hunt and survive.”
*********************************

Likewise Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc., etc.
Think b4 engaging mouth; don’t say we unless ya have a mouse in yer pocket...


31 posted on 08/08/2009 7:51:33 AM PDT by gunnyg ("Just Plain Dick")
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To: P-Marlowe
If you have abandoned all hope, then kill yourself.

I for one am more disgusted with those paralyzed with fear and despair than with the enemy. At least the enemy gives us something to fight. Those who have given up don't even have the decency to get out of the way. Instead they cling to our legs and try to drag us down.
32 posted on 08/08/2009 7:52:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: gunnyg
Yep—it won’t work because “they” are by far superior at dirty fighting than the good guys are.

Hmm remember the Wellstone memorial? This crap doesn't work for them. It costs them votes from the squishy middle. Thugdom might get the hard cored on each end all hot and bothered, it scares the hell out of the middle.

33 posted on 08/08/2009 7:53:09 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Obamanomics: we have to destroy the US Economy in order to save it!)
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To: darkwing104

“The sound bytes from these meetings will be used against them in 2010.”

I disagree. The Republicans won’t have the guts to use them.


34 posted on 08/08/2009 7:54:03 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Obama is becoming America's Hitler.)
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To: Kirkwood
More government is NOT the answer.

From the link......

It is important to make a distinction between governance and government. In this context, “governance” refers to the management of the “government” (at the legislative and budgetary level) by our elected representatives. In contrast, government encompasses the institutions and bureaucracy that are created and funded for the purpose of implementing the legislation established by our representatives. It is argued in this web pamphlet that increasing the number of our representatives in the federal House (i.e., increasing the size of governance) would, in fact, ultimately reduce the overall cost of government. As the number of Representatives increases and they become more representative of the people— the House will be compelled to reduce the size of the government. This is because the smaller congressional districts will greatly improve constituent monitoring of legislators, enhance legislators’ representation of constituent interests, and hence result in lower levels of government spending. Empirical support for this argument is provided by a paper entitled Constituency Size and Government Spending which shows that the determining factor for government spending is constituency size — the number of constituents per representative — and not the size of the legislature.

........makes sense to me

Would you rather live under scenario 1 or 2......

1.) 1 person has total control of all aspects of your life.

2.)1000 people have very little control over only a few aspects of your life. The rest is up to you to live how you wish.

More governance does not equal more government.

35 posted on 08/08/2009 7:54:49 AM PDT by nitzy (Take your pick: Globalism OR Limited Government)
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To: ScaniaBoy
You nailed it ScaniaBoy!

Exactly my thoughts and what I was going to post.

These pretty boy politicians are not accustomed to large turnouts at these events. And they certainly aren't accustomed to the crowds being angry.

We are getting their attention and they are taking note!

36 posted on 08/08/2009 7:56:15 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: gunnyg

Right... will be bringing my Quad Fifties and some backup from some guys with MIA2s.

http://www.citizendirect.org/BringIt.jpg


37 posted on 08/08/2009 7:58:13 AM PDT by PIF
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To: proudofthesouth
I disagree. The Republicans won’t have the guts to use them.

Not all Republicans are like McCain. There are more than a few like Sarah Palin.


38 posted on 08/08/2009 7:58:57 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: nitzy
..each representative has 700,000 constituents..

With ACORN (COI), State (democrat) election boards, and Obamabots, that equates to 900,000 election day votes for the Democrat incumbent or challenger.

39 posted on 08/08/2009 7:59:02 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: nitzy
1913 - Right around the time of the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank, the Bolshevik revolution and the 16th amendment instituting the income tax.

You forgot the 17th Amendment, that turned the Senate from representatives of the state to at-large representatives of the people of the state. The "progressives" from around 1908 to WW1 really broke the government as the founders intended. I've been saying that for a while.

And just last night, I was thinking about a Congress with a 10,000 member House of Representatives (which is what it would be with each representative for about 30,000 people). The problems would be to control the size of their staff and to control committees, limiting full gatherings, and using technology to handle the votes. On the plus side, it would make it very difficult for any party to personally coerce votes or control their members, easier for third parties to win elections, harder for them to ignore their constituents, and harder for them to gerrymander districts effectively. It would make elections personal and the representatives accountable to everyone in their district. This is, of course, why it will never happen.

40 posted on 08/08/2009 7:59:33 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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