"I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of 3 branches of the government working for them, and that ain't bad."
Posted on 08/04/2009 3:04:17 PM PDT by Saint Reagan
WASHINGTON — A pair of nuclear-powered Russian attack submarines has been patrolling off the eastern seaboard of the United States over recent days, a rare mission that has raised concerns inside the Pentagon and intelligence agencies about a more assertive stance by the Russian military.
The episode has echoes of the cold war era, when the United States and the Soviet Union regularly parked submarines off each other’s coasts to steal military secrets, track the movements of their underwater fleets — and be poised for war.
But the collapse of the Soviet Union all but eliminated the ability of the Russian Navy to operate far from home ports, making the current submarine patrols thousands of miles from Russia even more surprising for military officials and defense policy experts.
“I don’t think they’ve put two first-line nuclear subs off the U.S. coast in about 15 years,” said Norman Polmar, a naval historian and expert on submarine warfare.
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they’re planning to take out Congress...
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and the Senate and the WH please.
WHAT?? Why would the Pseudo Soviets fire on a fellow socialistic country? AmeriKa.
Ahh, that wasn't very hard was it? ;0)
Russian Subs Patrolling Off East Coast of U.S.’
it’s ok... it’s ok... we know where they are.
True, but if the message they wanted to send was “watch out, the Russians are back, and we can turn your cities into ash in five minutes flat” wouldn’t they deploy their ballistic missile submarines which would send just such a message?
I mean obviously any time a world power deploys their submarines in such an aggressive manner off of our coasts we should be alarmed, but given the timing to their failed SLBM tests, this seems a lot like a face saving move.
I think that K-219 sank because they were experimenting or testing supercavitation torpedos like Jeff Head talked about in his books! Anyone else that has read the books agree?
K-219 (Yankee class SSBN) was more due to drunken pipefitters in the shipyard. Seawater piping failed, where seawater got into one of the missile tubes. The missiles carried at the time were liquid fueled, and carried the fuel in the missiles instead of being fueled before launch. Soviet solid fuel technology for large motors might have not been quite there yet. Anyhow, the seawater came in contact with the nitrogen tetroxide oxidizer, filling part of the sub with chlorine gas and some oxide of nitrogen. Nasty stuff. Then there was a cascade of other failures, finally resulting in a reactor control failure. A reactor breach was averted by a sailor who manually shut the reactor down, and got a lethal dose in the process. At least one of the missiles was discharged from the launch tube (likely one where there was seawater contamination), probably to avoid an on board explosion.
While the sub was being evacuated, the useless POS zampolit could not be bothered with the other crew being safely evacuated, and fought his way to the lifeboat.
The supercavitating torpedo incident was the Kursk, an Oscar class SSGN.
I had no idea that happened *looks under rock* BUT Im glad to say, Ive never used a Toshiba, and now never will *pulls up the Alienware page*
Yup. Loss of some fine first-rate and historical architecture and furnishings.
"I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of 3 branches of the government working for them, and that ain't bad."
Free societies have traditionally kept close tabs on socialist/communist ones.
The newly free Russians are curious about the new, socialist USSA.
Living between Newport and Crane in the midwest, we are not in a never land situation either.
You are still may be near a primary target of Russian RV or a fallout area. No one is safe from fallout
The rockets that are failing are the new ones. The reason why they are failing is that the design or manufacture may have faults. They still have the rockets that are left overs from the Cold War and they are deadly.
Ahhhh, yes, Palma...I knew her well...
The Daquiri Palace...Right on the beach...
We (DDG with 350 crew) had the beach for 3 days before the Kitty Hawk rolled in and dumped 5000 pimple faced red-headed stepchildren on us...Dirnit!!!
Watching for those Crazy Ivan's no doubt.
"Eeeemayyyrgggennceee! everybaaahdy to get from streeeet!"
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