Persistent ‘Birthers’ Fringe Disorients Strategists

NY Times ^ | 8/4/09 | Jeff Zelany

[pissant]

WASHINGTON — As President Obama turns 48 today, a few celebrations are on tap inside the White House, including a quiet breakfast with his family, lunch with Democratic senators in the State Dining Room, and dinner with his wife and a few friends.

The noisier commotion over his birthday is taking place outside the White House.

As most of the political conversation in Washington and across the nation has been devoted to health care, the economy and even the president’s first nomination to the Supreme Court, a small set of detractors have been obsessively fixated by this date in history: Aug. 4, 1961. That is the day, they argue, that proves that Mr. Obama should not be serving in office because he was not born in the United States.

Their theory, of course, is false. But that has not stopped cable television and talk radio hosts from dedicating countless hours to the topic.

So much discussion has taken place that the White House says it has stopped monitoring it and the Republican National Committee has distanced itself from the so-called “birther movement,” whose members insist that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. The fringe conspiracy theory — that he is not constitutionally eligible to be president — has taken on a life of its own and become a dreaded topic for some lawmakers.

[pissant]

Gee, the New York Times is worried about the fate of Republicans. LOL

You know we are on the right trail when the MSM resorts to this BS line of argument.

[the invisib1e hand]

they must have put an intern on this story. probably the old timers have given up.

[tired1]

What does Dan Rather think? He’s kind of a pro on these things.

[Jeff Head]

This entire issue of his birth is a simple thing to put to rest. The issue is really becoming, more and more, why he doesn;t put it to rest.

I have a passport and a birth certificate. I can produce them at my house in a matter of minutes. I have not spent a million dollars to either acquire them...or to hide them.

This is not a unreasonable thing to ask for since being a "natural born citizen" of the US is a constitutional requirement for the job of President. It's not hateful, and it's not racist.

Proving that you are should be an honor.

Yet Obama cannot and will not produce either. Why?

The following document is a Certified Copy of Registration of Birth, puporting to be from Kenya. It has gotten a lot of press. It has a number of issues which means, IMHO, that in all probability that it is not authentic. Yet, it looks more authentic than the electronic Certificate of Live Birth (COLB, not the long form Birth Certificate which has never been offered) that the Obama administration has shown on their web site.

The point is, this supposed document is out there and is being analyzed to death and will ultimately be certified one way or the other by experts. Obama's long form birth certificate is not...it is getting no such review. The longer it is absent, the more insistent the demands will be for it to be made public.

A number of military Officers are now suing for Obama to prove and show his "bonafides" before deploying, because for them, it becomes a life or death issue to follow their Commander in Chief. The same applies in principle to all citizens. In the end, Obama will not be able to forever hide from proving the constitutional qualification.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

[HerrBlucher]

Their theory, of course, is false.

LOL. It must be so if the NYT says so, after all, they never tell lies. Ahhh, its sooooo good to watch the lefties squirm, and we have only just started on several fronts.

[SonOfDarkSkies]

Their theory, of course, is false.

Proof please???

[cripplecreek]

I don’t have a problem with disoriented strategists. Seems like a good thing to me.

[pissant]

And they’ve been disoriented for alot longer than Certifigate has been around, best I can tell.

[Califreak]

"Happy birthday,Zero-if today really is your birthday..."

[rod1]

Sounds like somebody has been raining on BO’s birthday parade.

Boo Hoo.

[torchthemummy]

I’ve found discussing the issue with Obamots much easier since Janice Okubo reiterated her statement from November that she has seen the long form BC and deems it authentic. By doing so she makes the official claim that a) the COLB is sufficient to prove natural citizen status but still is in essence a certificate for a certificate and thus b) by stating she has seen the long form BC in private she has officially admitted that the most detailed and original document has still not seen the light of day, thus shooting down the preposterous lib argument that the original BC has been released.

I always like to preface the discussion by cornering the respective lib from the get-go by highlighting that since they assert that Obama has proven his natural birth status to their satisfaction, they are tacitly admitting that being a natural born citizen is a requirement and needs to be authenticated.

[rod1]

Sounds like somebody has been raining on BO’s birthday parade.

Boo Hoo.

[Plutarch]

But the fact that it was a copy and not the original, which according to Hawaii law cannot be released publicly, did not quell the furor.

If this is such a fringe conspiracy movement, why can't those dismissing the birthers ever get their facts straight.

The COLB is not a "copy".

The original could be released upon Obama's request.

The NYT can't bring itself to report that Obama refuses the simple request to release his original BC. They have to obfuscate to cover for him. Some conspiracy theory that requires the debunkers to bend themselves into a pretzel to refute.

[torchthemummy]

Sounds like somebody has been raining on BO’s birthday parade.

Speaking of that, Drudge has a picture of the White House with a huge, 7 x 10 or so poster of Obama displayed on the lawn. Talk about sickening.

[freeangel]

The RNC “distanced” itself from most of the conservatives that used to be with GOP, too—and look where it got ‘em.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

This is such a no-brainer. If they are worried about this, Obama could end it by releasing his birth records. At this point, it’s irresponsible of him not to. It makes NO sense to be whining about people asking questions about his birth certificate when he is hiding his records from public examination for some reason.

[Dryman]

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”

[torchthemummy]

It makes NO sense to be whining about people asking questions about his birth certificate when he is hiding his records from public examination for some reason.

As long as the LMSM continues to obfuscate the issue by claiming the COLB is a copy and ignore the empirical fact that Hawaii Sec of State spokeswoman Janice Okubo has once again stated she has SEEN the original and thus proves that the original, long form has not seen the light of day, the ridiculing will continue.

But it is clear that the issue is proving a thorn in their side and of course is completely unnecessary.

But again I can not reiterate enough that Ms. Okubo's statement did not lay the issue to rest but opened the door to a simple, cogent and correct argument that the original BC has not been released.

[Cyropaedia]

Here's a link to a 2006 article from the Honolulu Advertiser that says that Obama was born in Indonesia :

http://24ahead.com/2006-tammy-duckworth-or-will-hoover-said-obama-was-born-indo

[john mirse]

Why do Obama supporters always group so-called birthers and Repubicans together?

Myself, I am an independent.

1. I vote for Democrats sometimes. I vote for Republicans sometimes, whether the candidate is running for Senator or Representative or for the local city council. If I like a candidate, I vote for him, whatever party the candidate belongs to.

2. My point is this: I have been going hard after Obama's 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate and his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records from way back since April/May 2008, not because Obama is a Democrat, but because I believe Obama to be a fraud and a liar.

3. Is my relentless demand that Obama release his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate and his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records somehow hurting the Republican Party?

4. To quote a famous American book about the South: Madam, I don't give a damn.

5. I don't want to hurt the Republican Party if I can help it, but right now, I could care less as I try to find out what is on Obama's long form birth certificate and in his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records.

6. I'm sorry, but I say let the chips fall where they may, and if the Republican Party is somehow hurt in the process, so be it.

7. To me, something is terribly wrong when I have had to show my long form birth certificate from my Little League days to the time I applied for very low ranking government jobs, while, at the same time, the President of the United States spends thousands of dollars on high-priced lawyers to keep his long form birth certificate and Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard records from the eager eyes of the voting public.

8. So to those pro-Obama supporters who try to discredit birthers and Republicans by lumping them together: You forget that many birthers are independents who believe that Obama is a liar and a fraud because he won't release his Hawaii 1961 long form birth certificate and his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records.

9. 2010 and 2012 elections: And, pro-Obama supporters, if Obama has not resolved this birth certificate issue by election time in 2010 and 2012, then a lot of independents like me will not vote for Democrat Senator and Representative candidates.

10. Again, to Obama supporters: Not all so-called birthers are Republicans.

11. Many of us birthers are independents who believe that Obama is a fraud and a liar because he continues to try to hide his Hawaii long form birth certificate and his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records.