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To: betty boop; Czar; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; meadsjn; tet68; Smokin' Joe; TigersEye; ...

Your thoughts on this unconstitutional monstrosity are solicited.


2 posted on 08/03/2009 2:19:36 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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IIRC from another thread, the bill contains language that invokes Article III Section 2.

The court will have no jurisdiction to hear arguments as to the Constitutionality of Obamacare.

Back when each member and branch actually took their oaths to support and defend our Constitution, this check on the court by Congress made sense. Today it is the road to Tyranny.

4 posted on 08/03/2009 3:06:23 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil Institutions.)
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We’ve been discussing the worst of the wurst from this nazi administration for a while.......Jet Jaguar posted a thread regarding one of my posts based on email I received........

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2306278/posts

Stay safe Joanie !!!


10 posted on 08/03/2009 4:28:50 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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Once again, this is something that every American should read. I bet more than half of them couldn’t tell you one sentence from the Constitution.

Good work, lass!


19 posted on 08/03/2009 5:38:15 AM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: joanie-f
Your thoughts on this unconstitutional monstrosity are solicited.

Well, let me start with another, well done! If history holds any lessons, it's that if we as a nation are not yet lost, we will be soon enough. Our Founders, whether by accident, extreme effort or divine guidance, gave us a self governing document unequaled in human history. When our leaders, often with the tacit approval of an ill informed or complacent populace began using it to wipe their feet on, our fate was probably sealed.

If we are to recover our freedom, I'm very nearly convinced we will have to fight for it. We are no better than our Founders who were willing to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor; not so much for themselves but to create a new nation for those that would follow. Unless and until we are willing to take the same risks AND our leaders know it, we will never even have a chance at redemption. For my part, I'm preparing for whatever may come. May God help us.

31 posted on 08/03/2009 8:23:58 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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Thank you so very much for your excellent essay-post, dear joanie-f! I strongly agree that tort reform is the key to reducing health costs.


35 posted on 08/03/2009 9:21:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Well written article, disastrous bill. I know people who have been laid off, and had they not been able to cut insurance costs, (had they been required to pay for their own, even with the subsidy), they would not have had food to put on the table.

Requiring people to carry *insurance* without permitting them to assess their own level of risk from health and other factors is another tax on the productivity of Americans, when the Government is doing all it can elsewise to hamper that productivity.

As for the Bill, and any other bill which is unnecessarily convoluted, complex, and which is overly broad in scope, it should be studied with careful scrutiny, not stuffed through Congress at warp speed.

The people who wrote this know what is in it, those who did not do not, and no on has time to consider the unforseen effects of the legislation.

Not only is there no Constitutional authority for the Federal Government to be (de facto) siezing yet another industry, but the haste involved is damning.

Further comment would likely get me in trouble..........

36 posted on 08/03/2009 9:28:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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I found that the section apparently amends the Social Security Act, in that it offers a Medicare-covered ‘advanced care planning consultation’ every five years. Yet I cannot find anywhere in the section a reference to whether this ‘consultation’ is voluntary or mandatory (as some are reporting). It would seem to me that that stipulation is of some importance.

Oh, put money on it: It will be mandatory.

Call me "paranoid," but it appears to me the federal government has a massive conflict of interest in such a proposal. Just as the baby boom generation is retiring, they realize the Social Security Retirement System is about to implode as the Ponzi scheme that it ever was. So, start getting senior citizens primed to consider their "end of life decisions" as early as, say age 60 or 65 — force them to do it, in fact. They must be "trained" to contemplate their own mortality, and so educated, will be more likely to accept the reasons government bureaucrats will give later on for withholding life-preserving medications and treatments after a certain (unspecified) age. In this way, Social Security Retirement beneficiaries can be "hustled" off the roles sooner rather than later, by "helping" them die sooner than they otherwise would. This is the cost "society" must pay to keep the retirement system financially strong.

Of course, this entire monstrosity of "healthcare reform" is completely unconstitutional. It is also thoroughly Orwellian in concept.

Speaking as a taxpayer, I am sick and tired of being on the hook for the costs of unconstitutional legislation. My naïve idea is that, as a taxpayer, I am only obligated to pay for things that are warranted by the Constitution. And yet the bill is being sent to me and future generations for things that the Constitution does not authorize. Which is just about everything the Obama Administration, with the collusion of the most radically progressive Congress I've ever seen in my life, has been doing and is doing.

Dear joanie, I also notice the extreme reluctance of the Washington political class to take trial lawyers to account as a major source of upward pricing pressure in the healthcare industry. Tort reform would have a major impact on cost reduction — but no one in Washington wants to touch it. It's sort of become its own little untouchable "third rail," like Social Security: A politician touches it at his own peril.

This entire healthcare reform is just a mendacious, untransparent, cobbled-together, half-baked, inane house of cards. Plus there's simply no way that the American people can afford it, both from a financial and a liberty standpoint. There simply isn't enough money in the world to pay for it. Our nation is under the control of a gang of criminal thugs, liars, cheaters, stealers, pillagers.... Anyone up for a good "tar and feathering?" :^)

They will be stopped, because they must be stopped. The question is: How?

Thanks so very much, dear joanie, for your marvelous essay!

37 posted on 08/03/2009 9:58:30 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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