Posted on 08/01/2009 4:36:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Very good article.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2748
Another Department of Health Lie Repeated by Media Smoke and deception continue to surround birth of baby Obama
Smoke and deception continue to surround birth of baby Obama
From the Honolulu Advertiser July 28:
“Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.”
Did Okubo really say this? Or did the Advertiser put words in her mouth. If she did, the statement is deceptive.
According to an investigative report we published on westernjournalism.com,
BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) …Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.
Therefore, contrary to Okubo’s implication, the vital statistics sent on by the Dept of Health to the newspapers were almost certainly not limited to information provided by hospitals. In 1961 in Hawaii, non-hospital births were far more common than they are now.
The editorial desire to put to rest the “Obama was born in Kenya” canard is justifiable.
Well, we really don't know this, do we? I have yet to see any evidence that really PROVES where Obama was born: Hawaii, Kenya, Canada, or who knows where? Certainly this question is only one of many. But I don't see why we should concede that he was born in Hawaii as long as Obama continues to stonewall and hide all the real, solid evidence.
Also, McCarthy asserts that Obama is a "professed Christian." Well, not quite. He said he was a "member" of that Chicago church. But that church, as it happens, does not require its members to be baptized. And it allows Muslims to join without renouncing their faith.
Sorry, there are many different kinds and degrees of "Christians," but if you aren't baptized, you aren't a Christian, according to the understanding of virtually all Christians--Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox.
Obama has also said, and posted on his website, that he was "never" a Muslim. Well, we know that was an outright lie, because he was born a Muslim, adopted as a Muslim, went to school as a Muslim, studied the Qran, attended a mosque, said the Muslim prayers that make you a Muslim if you say them, and so forth.
Perhaps he is no longer a Muslim. That we don't know. But he certainly WAS a Muslim. And he has never exactly said that he has given up his Muslim faith--presumably because then a billion Muslims would consider him an Apostate.
I agree that we should not get hung up on one point, for instance that he was born in Kenya. Maybe he was, and maybe he wasnt. It's not the end of the world if he wasn't.
But conservatives make a mistake when they concede points unnecessarily to their enemies. What does that gain us? Will they love us more? I don't think so. They'll just go after some other point. It's like saying that we'd might as well confirm Sotomayor, because she's unbeatable, and then fight the next one. Sorry, but that will only make it HARDER to fight the next one, not easier.
If, as I suspect he may, Obama comes up with a forged "original" birth certificate in the next couple of months, that should not be allowed to shut us up, either. But it won't do the least bit of good to relinquish the issue beforehand--they would still use it for triumphalist purposes. And the obvious response should be, "How about letting a trusted person request the original documents from the Hawaiian authorities? Why should we accept this as genuine, when you have so persistently lied and stonewalled?
Give a liberal an inch, and he'll take a mile.
Excellent reading.
Thanks for posting it. I hope things are going well for you!
ping
“but if you aren’t baptized, you aren’t a Christian, according to the understanding of virtually all Christians—Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox.”
I AM NOT IN ANY WAY DEFENDING POTUS OBAMA. I just want to clarify a point of some variants of protestant Christian doctrine. Southern Baptists, the largest Baptist body, DO NOT tie being “Baptized” with being a Christian (meaning being Baptisted makes you a Christian). You become a “Christian” first by faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone to save you from your sins and then you are “Baptisted” to show the world on whose side you sit. I have known many genuine “Christians” that went a long time before being Baptisted. However, Southern Baptists do tie Baptist with Church membership. While we acknowledge that someone who has saving faith (that implies many things) in Jesus Christ alone is a Christian, we don’t admit into church membership anyone that has not been scripturally Baptisted (immersed not sprinkled - to symbolize death burial and ressurection.
Bottom line: Being a Christian and Baptism are not the same thing amoung Southern Baptists. Baptism IS NOT a “sacrement” amoung Southern Baptists (sacrements inpart grace), it is an “ordinance” (a symbolic act to demonstrate a principle).
Now is President Obama a “Christian.” IMO only in the nominal sense. I do not believe he trully grasps the concept of sin and salvation from it. I don’t know his heart, so my opinion means nothing.
Was Jesus a Christian before he was baptized?
Where can I get some pure water. Just in case.
“The Catholic Church prescribes that in case of emergency any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he or she has the required intention. The baptizer is to say: “[Name], I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” while pouring water three times on the head. The sign of the cross is then made over the recipient. The omission of the name or the sign of the cross and the addition of “Amen” at the end have no effect on the validity of the sacrament. The validity of baptism is doubtful if impure water is used. In such a case, the sacrament should be repeated conditionally with certainly valid water as soon as possible if the emergency persists.”
“Sorry, there are many different kinds and degrees of “Christians,” but if you aren’t baptized, you aren’t a Christian, according to the understanding of virtually all Christians—Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox.”
This might be a requirement to be a member of a given church, but it is not a requirement to be a “Christian”. John 3:16 does not mention baptism. The thief on the cross beside Jesus was not baptised, yet Jesus welcomed him.
Jesus himself was not a “Christian”. He did not come to found a religion, but to draw all men to the Father.
I’m guessing that Obama’s hiding the gift certificate because instead of the name of the father on the document, it has a “Top 10” list...
Kind of a silly question. If a Christian is a follower of Christ, then the answer is “no.”
Also, baptism is necessary because of original sin. But Jesus was born without sin. He allowed John the Baptist to Baptize him as a lesson to others. But as John himself said, his baptism in the Jordan was merely a forerunner of what Jesus would later do.
“I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.”
Yes, the meaning of that needs discussion too. But it points up the difference between John’s pre-Christian baptism and baptism in the Church that Jesus later founded. John was the fore-runner, the last of the Prophets.
“Was Jesus a Christian before he was baptized?”
Jesus was not a Christian after he was baptized by John in the Jordan.
There is also baptism of desire. And obviously the thief couldn’t get down off the cross, get baptized, and climb back up. But this is really off the point of this thread. Are you saying that Obama didn’t need to be baptized because he was like the Good Thief? Seems unlikely to me.
That could be the DUMBEST question I’ve seen on FR.
He LIED about his first real job! He made it sound like he was an EXECUTIVE when he was a Junior Copy Editor!! LOL!! PATHETIC.
Was that his second job?
Even as the head of the CAC he did a lousy job. Burned through 160 million dollars with little improvement in students grades. From a behavioral standpoint, the kids were reportedly worse than before.
When Barry graduated from High School he was officially Barry Soetoro. When his mother obtained her divorce from Lolo in 1980 she claimed there were two legal children to the marriage and one was over eighteen needing educational assitance. Barry entered Occidental in 1980 as Barry Soetoro and thus abrogated his American citizenship when he presented himself as the adopted Soetoro of an Indonesian father. ... When did he legally change his name so that he could swear falsely in IL that he had used no other name buy Barack Obama?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.