The editorial desire to put to rest the “Obama was born in Kenya” canard is justifiable.
Well, we really don't know this, do we? I have yet to see any evidence that really PROVES where Obama was born: Hawaii, Kenya, Canada, or who knows where? Certainly this question is only one of many. But I don't see why we should concede that he was born in Hawaii as long as Obama continues to stonewall and hide all the real, solid evidence.
Also, McCarthy asserts that Obama is a "professed Christian." Well, not quite. He said he was a "member" of that Chicago church. But that church, as it happens, does not require its members to be baptized. And it allows Muslims to join without renouncing their faith.
Sorry, there are many different kinds and degrees of "Christians," but if you aren't baptized, you aren't a Christian, according to the understanding of virtually all Christians--Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox.
Obama has also said, and posted on his website, that he was "never" a Muslim. Well, we know that was an outright lie, because he was born a Muslim, adopted as a Muslim, went to school as a Muslim, studied the Qran, attended a mosque, said the Muslim prayers that make you a Muslim if you say them, and so forth.
Perhaps he is no longer a Muslim. That we don't know. But he certainly WAS a Muslim. And he has never exactly said that he has given up his Muslim faith--presumably because then a billion Muslims would consider him an Apostate.
I agree that we should not get hung up on one point, for instance that he was born in Kenya. Maybe he was, and maybe he wasnt. It's not the end of the world if he wasn't.
But conservatives make a mistake when they concede points unnecessarily to their enemies. What does that gain us? Will they love us more? I don't think so. They'll just go after some other point. It's like saying that we'd might as well confirm Sotomayor, because she's unbeatable, and then fight the next one. Sorry, but that will only make it HARDER to fight the next one, not easier.
If, as I suspect he may, Obama comes up with a forged "original" birth certificate in the next couple of months, that should not be allowed to shut us up, either. But it won't do the least bit of good to relinquish the issue beforehand--they would still use it for triumphalist purposes. And the obvious response should be, "How about letting a trusted person request the original documents from the Hawaiian authorities? Why should we accept this as genuine, when you have so persistently lied and stonewalled?
Give a liberal an inch, and he'll take a mile.
“but if you aren’t baptized, you aren’t a Christian, according to the understanding of virtually all Christians—Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox.”
I AM NOT IN ANY WAY DEFENDING POTUS OBAMA. I just want to clarify a point of some variants of protestant Christian doctrine. Southern Baptists, the largest Baptist body, DO NOT tie being “Baptized” with being a Christian (meaning being Baptisted makes you a Christian). You become a “Christian” first by faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone to save you from your sins and then you are “Baptisted” to show the world on whose side you sit. I have known many genuine “Christians” that went a long time before being Baptisted. However, Southern Baptists do tie Baptist with Church membership. While we acknowledge that someone who has saving faith (that implies many things) in Jesus Christ alone is a Christian, we don’t admit into church membership anyone that has not been scripturally Baptisted (immersed not sprinkled - to symbolize death burial and ressurection.
Bottom line: Being a Christian and Baptism are not the same thing amoung Southern Baptists. Baptism IS NOT a “sacrement” amoung Southern Baptists (sacrements inpart grace), it is an “ordinance” (a symbolic act to demonstrate a principle).
Now is President Obama a “Christian.” IMO only in the nominal sense. I do not believe he trully grasps the concept of sin and salvation from it. I don’t know his heart, so my opinion means nothing.
Was Jesus a Christian before he was baptized?
Where can I get some pure water. Just in case.
“The Catholic Church prescribes that in case of emergency any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he or she has the required intention. The baptizer is to say: “[Name], I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” while pouring water three times on the head. The sign of the cross is then made over the recipient. The omission of the name or the sign of the cross and the addition of “Amen” at the end have no effect on the validity of the sacrament. The validity of baptism is doubtful if impure water is used. In such a case, the sacrament should be repeated conditionally with certainly valid water as soon as possible if the emergency persists.”
“Sorry, there are many different kinds and degrees of “Christians,” but if you aren’t baptized, you aren’t a Christian, according to the understanding of virtually all Christians—Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox.”
This might be a requirement to be a member of a given church, but it is not a requirement to be a “Christian”. John 3:16 does not mention baptism. The thief on the cross beside Jesus was not baptised, yet Jesus welcomed him.
Jesus himself was not a “Christian”. He did not come to found a religion, but to draw all men to the Father.
If, as I suspect he may, Obama comes up with a forged “original” birth certificate in the next couple of months.............
Obama is stalling and stalling until he can get that forgery in place