Posted on 07/30/2009 8:35:25 PM PDT by Edward Watson
The entire birther argument, that Obama was actually born in Kenya instead of the US, making him ineligible for holding the office of the President of the US, is a spurious argument. It plays into Obama and the liberals hands - they want this to continue since it makes regular conservatives and opponents into fringe wackos.
Not one of us would've looked harder at his legitimacy than Hilary Clinton and the entire Clinton smear machine during the Democratic primaries. That magic bullet would've given Hilary the presidency - and yet nada, bupkis.
There are many valid reasons to oppose Obama and the liberals, but his birthplace isn't one of them.
Just as soon as I see the legitimate documentation.
Democrats are knowed for their industriousness and technical competentence.
(not)
Yes that's probably the best argument why the b.c. and other personal matters of Obama's were not mentioned in the primary.
I don’t believe that telling Zero to produce his long form birth certificate us way, way out there.
I was not born in a hospital and my birth was registered within three months. Not all birth data come from a hospital.
My long form b.c. is stamped "DELAY."
Personally until I see hospital records I'm keeping open the possibility that Obama was not born in a hospital in Hawaii -- what's the big state secret about a baby's name on a hospital's list of births on 4 Aug. 1961? IMO, there is no reason to hide that from the public.
And exposing the truth about his fraud fails to show that how?
Your “feeling’ is difficult to support with any actual reason.
May the rest of us investigate and reason and make up our own minds?
Maybe.
I saved the details of the death but I have not yet followed up.
Here's another, "chief financial officer of mortgage giant Freddie Mac killed himself last week. David Kellermann was found dead April 22 in the basement of his northern Virginia home"
“If he’s hiding something, its not where he was born - that’s Honolulu.”
Nonsense
You see, when you say ZERO evidence — that’s hyperbole, it’s a way of fooling yourself. There’s evidence, as evidence goes with Obama.
The trouble is, with Obama, there’s nothing that is certain, nothing that has not been obscured by denial, fable and lies.
You have to be a child of two citizens. Pretty simple.
Well don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.
Yes, this argument sounds soooo familiar.
I seem to remember before the election it was “Let’s beat him on the issues”. How’s that working out for us?
Nothing like good old obscene insult to bring final victory to your argument, right? :-)
WND is not the only source that have found indications that his reported history of his birth does not fit.
Yes, I know WND reputation, but there are times when they are spot on.
Answer one simple question.
Does the history of his “life”, as BHO presents it, pass the smell test? Given his known history of legal manipulation of opponents during his political campaigns.
He is a very treacherous POL. And I consider him nothing less than a Traitor to the nation, assuming he is even a citizen.
Do I think he was born in Kenya? NO.
Do I “know” where he was born? NO. (Does anyone? Probably)
Do I think he is a Natural Born Citizen as the Constitution requires? NO.....
Actually, I don’t.
"This war is lost".
Is that you again, Harry?
Because "birthers" is a leftist term meant to belittle. Constitutionalist would be more accurate.
And we actually want to see all his records.
Why are these off limits?
1. Certified copy of original birth certificate
2. Columbia University transcripts
3. Columbia thesis paper
4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5. Harvard University transcripts
6. Illinois State Senate records
7. Illinois State Senate schedule
8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11. Occidental College Transcripts
12. Parent's marriage Certificate
13. Record of baptism
14. Selective Service registration records
15. Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16. Scholarly articles
17. Access to his grandmother (Obama's grandmother has since passed away from cancer)
18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
19. Punahou grade school records
“Why do you feel the need to argue w/freepers and demand they give YOU sources. “
Because the sources are actually links to websites with bogus arguments, not actual correct legal reasoning.
Birtherism relies on assertion-without-proof and claims-without-foundation.
Here is reality in a nutshell:
1. Obama was born in Hawaii. See eg
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-chiyome-fukino-confirms-president-obamas-natural-citizenship/
2. By 14th amendment, Obama is citizen at birth. (See SCOTUS Wong Kim Ark)
3. Natural-born citizen is the same as those who gained citizenship at birth.
http://leahy.senate.gov/issues/Judiciary/McCainAnalysis.pdf
4. Ergo, Obama is eligible
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