I am the great and powerful Rino...errrr... collaborator, I mean Conservative Wizard.
Who are you and why do you wish to see the certificate?
No one gets to see the birth certificate
not no way, not no how!
Posted on 07/29/2009 3:34:47 AM PDT by steve-b
"Dear Birthers: Stop! Sincerely, Serious Conservatives."
I've held fire for the last several months as I've watched the so-called "Birther" movement gain steam. At first it was amusing, like playing a drinking game — you know, like taking a shot every time Chris Matthews explains why he insists on pronouncing the former Vice President's name "CHEE-knee."
It's not amusing anymore....
But that "Birther" thing ...
Seriously. Is this anything but a gift to the Democrats? ...
National Review Founder William F. Buckley, Jr., Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater, conservative historian and philosopher Russell Kirk, and American Enterprise Institute President William Baroody took it upon themselves secretly to meet at The Breakers hotel in Palm Beach, where they decided Welch and the Birchers would have to be excommunicated from the Conservative Movement, lest their lunacy taint reasonable and responsible conservative political activity.
Were Buckley alive today, is there any doubt he would have the same response to the "Birthers"?
I think not.
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
What is the big deal?
These are court cases the dear leader is facing and if he had done things right and presented his qualifying documents like everyone else in the country had to do with the “birthers” in life, he would not be in court. I can’t even get a passport without a Birth Certificate but Obama can be president without one? Is that because he is a specail guy above the law? We are the crazys one for asking the question?
We had Gibbs asking why does it matter if he is even a citizen or not? The folks on your side don’t see anything wrong with a foreigner being President of the US. They don’t see anything wrong with a duel standard of the rule of law. They don’t see anything wrong with 20 million illegals being here sucking off the Nation and breaking the law.
I am not going along with these anti-American, anti-rule of law oligarchy wannabes. They are just like everyone else. Obama is just like everyone else. He needs to present his birth certificate like everyone else who wants anything that requires citizenship status recognized by the birthers of the country.
What exactly were/are the Birchers wrong about?
They/we are questioning the choosen one, the magic negro, zero,the messiah how dare them/us.
Seems to me that they ‘doth protest too much’... It appears that we (the Birthers) have opened a sore that the LibTards don’t want to address. The simple solution is for 0bama to release his long form Birth Certificate, his college tuition records, and his passport from the 1980’s when he traveled to Pakistan.
Those records should answer the questions about his eligibility for POTUS.
Other questions (social security numbers, acquaintances, etc.) deal with his suitability for the office. But, they also deserve a hearing, which they didn’t get in the campaign (thanks to a complicit leftist media riding on his marxist bandwagon).
It’s time to take back the country. Let’s start with enforcing the Constitution.
Well, it would not be opaque, murky, clouded, or obscured. Something like ‘transparency’ ? ...or ‘open access’ or ‘open records’ or ‘the truth’.
You either stand with the Constitution, or you betray it.
CHOOSE.
How about “The Transparency Movement”? This could give us a non-derogatory label while simultaneously mocking his claim of openess and transparency.
“obama birth certificate” at Google News is up to 1,883 articles, and you know they hate to have to show them.
http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=obama+birth+certificate
Of all people, Ann Coulter should see the irony of this. She was the one who correctly said of Palin-hysteria a few weeks ago that it was like a jilted boyfriend, and all he can say about his former girl is how much he DOESN’T miss her:
*”I’m so over her.”
*”I’ve moved on with my life.”
*”She was dragging me down.”
*”I don’t even think about her.”
My recollection of Bircher's is that a vocal element existed within them that tended to see a Communist hiding behind every lamppost.
While it may or may not be possible to prove or disprove that he was born in Hawaii, the official Obami story is that he was born in a hospital. If that's the case, then the long form WILL contain a signature of an attending physician and nurse. And THAT, I believe, is what is at the heart of this whole matter. If the document does NOT contain a signature, this will prove that Obami is lying. If that's the case, then the whole rest of his birth story will also be called into question. Right now, the long form is the linchpin that is holding back this whole flood of questions and investigations into Obamis complete lack of records. That, I believe, is what this whole thing is about.
Actually, the latest pronouncement of Hawaii Records Chick works in our favor. Before, there was no reason for Obami NOT to release his records. If this chick claims to have seen them, and claims that he is legit "in accordance with the law", then Obami now has ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY no reason not to release his records. The lack of a doctors signature would open the flood-gates of investigation. Obami could claim that he was born in Hawaii, but not in a hospital, but I don't think anyone would really buy that story.
Right now, Obami is caught between a rock and a hard place. The Governor of Hawaii had made it known that she has squirreled away a copy of his long form from 7-8 months ago. Obami can't release a phony long-form, because the Gov would call him on it. That's why we are seeing a full-court press right now from the White House and the MSM. The "birther" movement is starting to pick up a little steam. Unless they manage to stop it right now, Obami will be caught in a cover-up. Even though he may be a legit U.S. citizen, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. Further, this will cause a lot of damage to the MSM, who are complicit in the cover up. When you consider that his sister in-law also had a Hawaii birth certificate (she was born in Indonesia), and if you take the Hawaii Dept of Records Chick at her word, this is the only scenario that fits the available facts.
So?...Bill...Where's your evidence in this article that Obama is a natural born citizen? Your entire article is a self indulgent plea for the birthers to stop because you and your ilk are feeling embarrassed.
Also....Birthers have been raising the alarm since Obama campaigned in the primaries. It is a tragedy for our Republic that weak and fearful candidates both in the Democratic and Republican party were too fearful to press the issue.
Do you think for a moment that any Republican candidate ( white or black) with a foggy childhood history of Obama would have been given a pass by the state run media or the Democratic Marxist Party? Geeze! It took them less than a day to be digging through Pallin’s trash and smearing her baby Trig.
Obama, HIMSELF, claims that his father was a British Citizen and a Kenyan. Obama HIMSELF tells us that he was adopted by an Indonesian man. These two facts alone condemn Obama. Obama has dual allegiance. He can not be a natural born citizen.
Those who love the Constitution are being frustrated by Obama, the Republicans, the Democratic Marxist Party, the courts, fake conservative talk show hosts, and foolish conservative intellectuals who are fearful of what people will think.
Yes, were exasperated.
“What exactly were/are the Birchers wrong about?”
In that they trust their own common sense above that of anyone else.
Birthers don’t care who is against them, even if it’s their favorite conservative like Coulter or whoever. They simply trust their own common sense.
The anti-birthers can only hope to sway the birthers by forcing them to conform—to adopt a conformist, group-think mentality.
“What exactly were/are the Birchers wrong about?”
In that they trust their own common sense above that of anyone else.
Birthers don’t care who is against them, even if it’s their favorite conservative like Coulter or whoever. They simply trust their own common sense.
The anti-birthers can only hope to sway the birthers by forcing them to conform—to adopt a conformist, group-think mentality.
On October 31st 2008 Doctor Fukino issued the following press release:
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
At the very minimum, the competent state official in Hawaii confirms that the original birth certificate is on record as at October 31, 2008. Yet many objected that the official did not explicitly state that Obama was born in Hawaii. Moreover, the statement only avers that the underlying birth certificate is in accordance with "state policies and procedures." Those policies and procedures say the birthers would be to accept the Kenyan birth certificate and issue a certificate of live birth showing birth in Hawaii. Now Doctor Fukino explicitly states that Obama was born in Hawaii and that fact is recorded in the "vital records":
I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
Now many complain that Doctor Fukino does not recite that she examined the underlying birth certificate but only some "vital records" which could mean something apart from the original long form birth certificate. Unfortunately for this quibble, Doctor Fukino explicitly refers back to her October 2008 statement. That is significant because that statement says explicitly that the original Birth Certificate is on record. Therefore, no reasonable reader can conclude otherwise than that the competent state official of Hawaii is affirming that the original birth certificate, which is in the file and which she has personally examined in the presence of another official, says that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Either you must believe she is lying, or that she is so stupid she cannot recognize a document common to her job description, or she saw an original birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii.
There was evidence on the Internet in the form of the YouTube audio of a telephone conversation through a translator with Barack Obama's grandmother in Kenya in which it was said in the audio presented that Barack was born in Kenya and that she was present at the birth. The audio presentation terminated abruptly at this point. Very recently another audio presentation appeared on YouTube which extended that conversation and it was made perfectly clear that the grandmother was confused and recanted, saying that Barack Obama was not in fact born in Kenya but born in Hawaii.
In the absence of such evidence of foreign birth, we are left to spin a series of scenarios because we believe the underlying birth certificate does not show that he was born in Hawaii. But now that thin reed has been dealt a heavy blow by the state of Hawaii. We actually have no reason whatsoever to believe that he was born in Kenya. We actually have no reason to disbelieve that he was born in Hawaii, except the inexplicable fact that he will not give up his birth certificate. Against that we have a certain amount of evidence both documentary and confirmatory that he was born in Hawaii.
I am unaware of any affirmative evidence that Obama was born anywhere except Hawaii. I am not so solilsciptic to believe that if I don't know if it does not exist, therefore, I invite anyone with affirmative evidence of foreign birth for Barack Obama to state it now. In the absence of such a forthcoming, we are reduced to drawing inferences from his refusal to release his birth certificate. But those inferences have been substantially weakened by the statement of the officials of the state of Hawaii. In any case, there are other inferences which could be as readily drawn from Obama's refusal to release the document besides a motive to cover up a foreign birth.
We are left with drawing a damning inference, no more warranted than many others, from a document we haven't seen, which officials declare says the opposite of what we contend, which Obama has not released but which he is under no obligation to release. This soup is too thin and it verges on tinfoil hat territory.
In the absence of any affirmative evidence of foreign birth, and in view of the status of the officials of the state of Hawaii that they have examined the underlying birth certificate and it shows a birth in Hawaii, I think the air has gone out of the birthers' balloon.
But that is a very different thing from saying, as the author does, that the birthers investigation was always nutty. It was not. Before the second revelation by the officials of the state of Hawaii cleared up the contents of the actual birth certificate, one was free to infer that Barack Obama's birth certificate would show a foreign birth. Likewise, so long as the YouTube version of grandma's statement had her saying that he was born in Kenya, there was proof, albeit questionable, of foreign birth. That proof has also been swept away. No one can say that while these two misapprehensions existed, the birther movement was nutty.
What to do now in view of changed circumstances?
The momentum should not be lost but the thrust now should be to portray Barack Obama not as a counterfeit Natural Born Citizen but as a mountebank with a shadowy history which he refuses to illuminate by releasing records of his birth, his passports, his transcripts, his employment and practice. This should be tied in with showing that Obama is a radical socialist, a man with deep and intimate associations with Communists and a paper trail, as much as can be discovered, revealing a man who himself is a Manchurian Marxist. The unaccountable secrecy about his birth is symbolic of his secrecy about his radical associations. Any criticism of the investigation into the birth of Barack Obama should properly be blamed on the paranoia of the man himself who has unaccountably shrouded himself in secrecy. If he is not hiding his place of birth what is he hiding?
It has forever damaged my opinion of Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, Medved, Hewitt, Hannity, OReilly, Boortz,..et al. Just hearing Medved’s voice and I want to hurl.
And...I am disgusted with Rush. He has given minuscule amount of time to the issue, and it came far, far, far too late! Shame on him. He has given **just** enough attention to the issue to it to claim, “I talked about it! See! Play the tape!” What a disgusting weenie!
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