Obama Filed for LATE Birth Certificate! (Maybe)

Is the State of Hawaii trying to help "birthers" by giving clues to Obama "late" birth certificate?

If you were born in the state of Hawaii but your birth was never registered there you can apply for a late registered birth certificate.

As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:

* Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.

Let's say you're 46 years old and were born in Hawaii...but for some reason never had your birth registered with Hawaii. You can apply for a late birth certificate by providing evidence that you were born in Hawaii. The acceptance of this evidence is a function of the department of health.

Note that you can have a Certification of Live Birth issued based upon evidence you provide. For all intents and purposes the state of Hawaii has now you issued you an original birth certificate...46 years after the fact.

Suppose for a moment that Barak Hussein Obama's birth was never registered in Hawaii...for whatever reason. Maybe his parents forgot because he was born at home. Maybe he was born in another state. Or another country. Whatever.

He of course has no birth certificate from Hawaii. So he applies for a late registered birth certificate sometime in 2007 or maybe 2008.

When he does that, by law, the state of Hawaii is affirming that he was born in Hawaii...despite there not being a long form birth certificate and despite there never being any record before.

Hawaii State Health Department director Chiyome Fukino M.D. has issued two press releases concerning Barak Obama's birth certificate. I'm sure most would agree that it's highly unusual for this to happen. Most "birthers" and most "anti-birthers" believe that she is helping Barak Obama by providing verification that he truly was born in Hawaii. But is she? Let's examine the two statements and compare them.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

There are two thing that stand out. Statement 1 says "original birth certificate". Most birthers and anti-birthers believe this refers to an original, long form birth certificate. But it doesn't have to. If it were a late birth certificate filed for and created in 2007 then it would be the "original" birth certificate. Please note that it is ONE piece of paper.

Vital RECORDS...plural. Not vital record, as in A birth certificate. Records. Plural.

Now that's strange isn't it? Not so strange if the vital records are the evidence submitted by Obama to verify his birth in Hawaii.

Let me put it another way. Let's say I wasn't born in Hawaii, but I want a birth certificate from there. What would I do? I would apply for a LATE birth certificate. What evidence would I give? Why, I lived there for a number of years. My grandma signs a statement saying I was born there. I produce a letter I wrote to the Kapoliani center affirming my birth there. I appeal to a biography I wrote. And if it's good enough, they say "Ok, you were born here. We'll make you a Certification of Live Birth based upon the evidence you've given us.

But what if I'm fooling them? It doesn't matter. If they issue an original birth certificate based upon submitted evidence then they are affirming that he was born there.

But what if you worked in the Hawaii Department of Health and KNEW about this? You couldn't violate the law by saying it. So you usually carefully parsed statements designed to help investigators.

This explains the reactions of many of our political leaders. The state of Hawaii DID affirm that he was born there even though he may not have been born there! He could have been born in...oh say..Kenya...and since the state of Hawaii said he was born there, he was born there. The only way to prove otherwise is to FIND a birth record from somewhere else that is authentic and even then...well...it would be quite the court battle and would drag on for years. Politicians want to be elected. They don't want one issue hanging around their necks for years.

Have you noticed how loud and strident the anti-birthers have been for the last week or so? What if they KNEW that Fukino was going to issue a new statement, but didn't know exactly what was in the statement? They would of course want to decry and belittle the whole notion of "birthers" as crackpots so the statement wouldn't be examined closely.

But look at the statements. Is Fukino trying to tell us something? Is she giving hints about how to go about this?

2. He applied for a late registration birth certificate, possibly in 2006 or 2007...

How do we prove it? All we need to do is find out if the birth certificate on file is a LATE birth certificate.

If there is a LATE birth certificate issued then by law it must be stamped "late or altered"

§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”.

Remember the first statement by Fukino? She had seen the "original" certificate? She never verified that the certificate floating online was the "original". The original would be marked "late" or "altered".

What IF the blacked out area of the first image posted on the internet said "Late or altered"?

There may be a way to legally get this information. It might be as simple as asking the Hawaii department of health to verify that Barak Obamas Certification of Birth on file is a late registration.

Questions:

1. Does anyone know how a late-filed birth certificate is indicated as such on a COLB? That’s important because, remember, nobody has EVER seen the entire back side of Obama’s purported COLB. Does anyone have a COLB based upon a late filed birth certificate?

2. Is it possible that those birth announcements did not come from any microfilm at a library? What is their provenance? The first announcement was sent to Texasdarlin at her blog months ago, e-mailed to her from someone named Lori, who claimed that she wrote to a Hawaiian library, asking for copies. Supposedly, that photo of the newspaper announcement is what she received and forwarded to Texasdarlin. The second announcement showed up much later, but I don’t know its source.

So, does anybody know FOR SURE that these announcements are copies from actual library microfilms of newspaper pages from 1961? Or are they plants?

Could Ms. Nordyke, who supplied the photostatic copies of her twins’ birth certificates, have also saved and supplied to someone copies of the newspaper pages from when the birth of her twins was announced?

Many people do save such newspaper announcements, for posterity.

So could those announcements have been photoshopped, based upon the pages that somebody saved from 1961; but which actually showed the birth of those twins—later to be replaced with the announcement of the birth of “a son” to a “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama”?

“Apparently” is the operative word. What’s the provenance for those announcements? Do we know that they are any more legitimate than the COLB? NO, we don’t.

We know that such announcements are generated from the information sent to newspapers from the Dept. of Health in Hawaii.

There’s been speculation that Obama was actually born as much as 6 months earlier than represented. His mother left college after the fall semester, 1960. Why so early, if he wasn’t born until August ‘61?

It’s been said that there are no photos of her pregnant, but that there are photos of her NOT pregnant, taken (if true) in the summer of 1961, when she ought to have been very pregnant.

She attended the fall semester at a college in Washington state in 1961, right after he was supposedly born. There is proof that she was living in Washington state in 1961 under the name Anna Obama. There are contemporaneous accounts by friends that she was there in late August with a baby. One woman stated in an interview that she babysat for him in Washington state while Anna attended college. The woman said that her own child was 18 months at the time, and she was born in July 1959. That would mean that this woman was babysitting for Obama in early 1961, which would be impossible if he wasn’t born until August 1961.

It’s possible that he was born earlier and that someone filed to register his birth in August 1961, presenting some kind of “evidence” to support it, but that may have been nothing more than a statement from his mother, one of his grandparents, or even BHO Sr.

A registration of any type (from the hospital, late from a statement, from a midwife, etc.) would generate a notification to the newspapers of the birth and then an announcement would be printed.

There is evidence that the Obamas never lived at the address listed in those announcements. Indeed, the person who did live there conveniently died only a few weeks prior to those announcements surfacing. That person, coincidentally, was a professor at the same college that the Obamas attended and was friends with many Democratic politicians in Hawaii. There is also evidence that BHO Sr. lived in an apartment at that very time, and Ann did NOT live there with him. It’s questioned whether they EVER lived together as man and wife, as no evidence to that effect exists, but for those questionable birth announcements.

So many questions, so few answers.

I decided to dig out the copies I had to get for my children
to get a drivers and passport. Just in case my memory was bad. I have said this before we were turned away from the DMV with a Obama type of BC. We had to have the long form and they kept the copy so we ordered a few extras. This one was retrieved in 2004 in California.

I am not saying obama’s would be the same but what I am trying to say is a copy should not just be a piece of paper easily copied and the information should be more in depth than Obama’s.

For one thing BC’s back in obama’s day may have been just thick paper. But you would think a copy of todays standards would not be. Unless a copy of the copy was made at kinkos.

The form itself is 8 1/2 by 11. The paper is not normal paper. On the back it has these little slivers of something molded in to make the paper. Like a onion skin paper but slivers of colored foil maybe. The colors are pink, blue in the middle then pink with a deep blue border that reminds me of currency in the way they make it hard to counterfeit. This is a government document whether it is a copy or not.

On all four corners there is a embossment you can feel by touch. Upper two feels like something the government might do for their checks.

The bottom two are state and county seals seals. Fully raised and for me it would be hard to do unless I was a counterfeiter. Or maybe you can get these forms on the black market and fill them out. I don’t know. You would still need the stamp.

The country recorder stamp which is embossed placed to make them genuine is above the left state seal. No color, just a raised seal. They guy printed out the original on this special paper, then stamped it.

At the top of the BC it reads where they got the copy, Birth Book 513.

It reads certificate of live birth.

State birth certificate number.

local registration district and certificate number.

First, Middle, Last Name
sex
This birth single or twins
DOB
Hour
Place of birth, Hospital
street, address of hospital
city or town
county
name of father, state of birth, age
name of mother, state of birth, age
Mothers signature date signed (which was date of birth)

Then physicians signature. I certify that I attended this
birth and the child was born alive at the hour, date and place stated. Then physicians license number and dated.

Then physicians name typed with his address.

local registrar and signature. dated 6 days after birth.

stated certified copy of vital records.

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