Skip to comments.(Obama) Born in the U.S.A. (says National Review)
Posted on 07/28/2009 5:29:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1
Pres. Barack Obama has a birthday coming up, a week from Tuesday. We hope he takes the day offor even the whole week, the briefest of respites from his busy schedule of truncating our liberties while exhausting both the public coffers and our patience. The presidents birthday comes to mind because we recently spent some time looking at a photograph of his birth certificate, being held by Joe Miller of Factcheck.org, who took the time to examine it. President Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m, in Honolulu County, Hawaii, on the island of Oahu. The serial number on his birth certificate is 010641. Baby Baracks birth was not heralded, as some of his partisans have suggested, by a star in the east, but it was heralded by the Honolulu Star, as well as the Honolulu Advertiser, each of which published birth announcements for young Mr. Obama.
Much foolishness has become attached to the question of President Obamas place of birth, and a few misguided souls among the Right have indulged it. The myth that Barack Obama is ineligible to be president represents the hunt for a magic bullet that will make all the unpleasant complications of his election and presidency disappear. We are used to seeing conspiracy theories from the Left, for instance among the one in three Democrats who believe that 9/11 was an inside job conducted with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. Weve seen everything under the sun blamed on Dick Cheney and Halliburton, and Rosie ODonnell has given us much mirth with her metallurgical expertise, while Andrew Sullivan has beclowned himself and tarnished the good name of The Atlantic with his investigation into the real parentage of Trig Palin. Most notable, the Iraq War summoned the craziness in a big way, and there are those who still shudder over their espressos at the mention of the Carlyle Group. And there is a fair amount of crossover between those fixated on Obamas birth certificate and the 9/11 truthers lawyer Phil Berg, for instance, is a player in both worlds. There is nothing that President Obamas coterie would enjoy more than to see the responsible Right become a mirror image of the loopy Left circa 2003.
The birth-certificate business is not a uniquely conservative phenomenon; the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya seems to have originated with a Hillary Clinton supporter at a blog called The Blue State. Either way, this fantasy is not particularly widespread within the conservative movement, but it has attracted enough interest that it needs to be addressed.
The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his real birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.
If one applies for a United States passport, the passport office will demand a birth certificate. It defines this as an official document bearing your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records. The Hawaiian birth certificate President Obama has producedthe document is formally known as a certificate of live birthbears that information. It has been inspected by reporters, and several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the presidents birth certificatewhich is precisely what one expects, of course, since the state records are used to generate those documents when they are requested. In other words, what President Obama has produced is the real birth certificate of myth and lore. The director of Hawaiis health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obamas birth certificate is identical to that in the states records, the so-called vault copy. Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.
The attention paid to President Obamas place of birth is not unprecedented. In fact, it may be the only thing President Obama has in common with Pres. Chester Arthur, whose opponents whispered that he had been born in Canada. A number of unsuccessful presidential candidatesGeorge Romney, Barry Goldwater, and Lowell Weicker among themactually were born outside of the United States (in Mexico, the Arizona Territory, and Paris, respectively) to American parents and thereby into American citizenship. If the conspiracy theorists have evidence that President Obama went through the naturalization process, let them show it. But there is no such evidence, because this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes examining the claims of its proponents reveals. The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is that a lack of evidence for the theory is taken as yet more evidence for the theory. Indeed, the maddening thing about dealing with conspiracy hobbyists of this or any sort is the ever-shifting nature of their argument and their alleged evidence: Never mind the birth certificate, his step-grandmother said he was born in Kenya! (No, she didnt.)
One of the unfortunate consequences of this red-herring discussion is that there are plenty of questions about Obamas background and history that we would like to have answered. In spite of two books of memoirs, there remain murky areas in his biography. And when it comes to those college transcripts, count us among those whod love to know whether Dr. Bailout ever took an advanced economics class and how he performed in it.
Barack Obama may prefer European-style socialized health care. He may consider himself a citizen of the Earth and sometimes address his audiences as people of the world, as though he were born not in another country but on another planet. Like Bruce Springsteen, he has a lot of bad political ideas; but he was born in the U.S.A.
The “magic bullet” characterization nails it.
So why are you posting this instead of being out opposing his agenda?
Shwo us the Long Form Birth Certificate please, and we will slink away and shut up.
It’s not a fantasy. Why doesn’t Chairman Zero show us the BC and just make us look bad, eh faux conservatives??
Why did he issue an executive order his first day in office sealing all his records, college, birth, everything! You brown nose clowns over there aren’t curious about any of this?
I read this and that the birth was listed in two newspapers
seems to end the argument. I agree anything other then
exposing this WH’s agenda and trying to defeat it is a
waste of time.
answer all these questions and show it then .
close down the place in Kenya as they are charging tourists to see bozo’s birth place in Kenya.
Ask why two of his family say they saw him born in Kenya
nah the media are pathetic, they look at a piece of paper on a website instead of getting a flight to Kenya and asking his own family and then ask bozo
WHY DON’T YOU SHOW IT INSTEAD OF FIGHTING NOT TO SHOW IT IN COURT
No, it is not a distraction, it is something that the cult of personality seems to have swept into the trash bin ... It is called the LAW.
This is just another reason why I no longer subscribe to the National Review.
I agree. There's plenty else to contest him on and I think we need to choose our battles wisely. Right now he's back on his heels and a frontal attack on his ideology and policies is the better way to direct our energy. Do I think it's suspicious that he spend a large amount of $ keeping it from being released? Yes, but I think it may be not because of birthplace, but rather parentage.
I think this makes total sense.
Now if someone can just explain to me why Obama has spent close to $1mm to fight access to his birth documents, I might even agree with the author.
I’m not saying I think Obama was born in Kenya. I really don’t know one way or the other.
But it defies reason that a guy would spend $1mm on litigating this issue unless he had something to hide.
I think as citizens we have a right to know what that is.
good enough for me
Wow, that's really nice of Joe to take the time out his busy day to have a look see, however there's about 100 million Americans who'd like to also take the time to examine it, so FAIL.
Isn't Factcheck.org a Soros shell anyway?
Mebbie Bambi WAS born here.
Whithout SEEING THE DAMN CERTIFICATE we will never know, WILL WE?
Am I supposed to take him ON FAITH?
At the VERY LEAST, there is something on Bambi’s BC, or collich applications, or grant applications, or transcripts, or other stuff (ALL SEALED) Bambi does NOT want us to see.
I WON’T LET THIS GO AWAY—NEITHER SHOULD YOU!
I actually don't care where he was born as he is not a "natural born citizen" since his father was Kenyan.
Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere, contrary to the information on his birth certificate, but we note for the record that his mother was a native of Kansas, whose residents have been citizens of the United States for a very long time, and whose children are citizens of the United States as well.
This is the part I don't get: if Barack's mom was a U.S. citizen, then he's a U.S. citizen. Doesn't matter if he was born on the Moon.
Hawaii issued “birth certificates” to children not born in Hawaii. Known fact.
There is no way to know if Obama was born in Hawaii without the actual long form certificate which spells out in detail where he was born.
And what possible reason is there for Obama to prevent it from being released if it isn't hiding something?
You need to read a little more.
It’s Annenburg Factheck. You know, Annenburg that Obeyme and Ayres worked for?
Well the birth announcement lists an address his family never resided at.
The Lefforge family resided at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, never anyone associated with Obama. The Lefforges are now passed.
“Orland Scott Lefforge was a Professor at UH at Manoa, Dept. of Speech, before becoming an assistant to Sen. Inouye in 1967. After that he wrote a paper about In service Training as an Instrument of Change (1971). He was also an administrator in the UH Community College office, and a member of the Osher Institute. He died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died June 12, 2008.”
“In 1961 the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Avenue, while Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family, including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obamas newly found birth announcement 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.”
Why is everything associated with oilybama so pretzeled?
Gibbs said yesterday obama was a citizen;
He did not say he was a ‘natural born’ citizen.
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