bama Hawaii born, insist Isle officials (Fukino says Obama is NBC)

Honolulu Advertiser | 7/27/09 | Danny Nikaso

[pissant]

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http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090727/BREAKING01/90727082/Obama+Hawaii+born++insist+Isle+officials

[nufsed]

What do you make of the “not natural born because father was not US and mother was too young” question.

[RummyChick]

I know there was a divorce. It doesn’t mean he knew about it. The poster who has this theory apparently does a lot of work in family court.

Would Obama Sr have willingly lied on a marriage application that would be punishable by jail time AND would subject him to being kicked out of the country?

If so, what was he promised in return.

There appears to be no real marital relationship between Obama and Ann.

[MHGinTN]

On the other hand, wouldn’t it be ‘funny’ if the vital records to which Fukimo is referring have in them an original Canadian or Kenyan Birth Certificate AND the Hawaiian issued certificate of birth making him a Hawaiian citizen by statute rather than birth? ... Fukimo would be lying for her obamessiah! The state used to issue certifcate of birth for up to one year for women of Hawaiian citizenship who brought forward a baby and claimed they were born out of state but brought back asap for registry. THAt may be why the change in wording ... vital records would include any BC from another country for a child made an HAwaiian citizen by issued BC on sworn statement by the mother.

[Prodigal Son]

The doctor might be telling the truth. But I want to see it with myself.

Just show it.

[thecodont]

Are you saying that that you don’t know the difference between “citizen” and “natural born citizen”??? Or are you just playing stupid for us all???

DallasMike: think of it this way. "Natural born" citizen is another way of saying someone is AT LEAST one generation removed from STATUTORY citizenship of someone else. Citizenship of the parent is already a settled matter.

[rolling_stone]

Is this Obamacare combinded with Obamalegal, where a medical doctor issues legal opinions?

I think we are due a further explanation,this does not clarify many things. Where was he born did a doctor sign his BC or someone else? Where is Hawaii 5-O when you need them? Bookem Danno!

[bvw]

The Statement Today:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago....

She doesn't say which vital birth records. Could be a self-sworn affidavit, by Barrack, his mom, his grandmom or someone else. Could be a hospital birth record -- that would resolve the "which hospital controversy" -- a controversy confused because Obama has claimed at different times to have been born in two different hospitals. She doesn't give the date of his birth, or the date the birth records were filed with her office.

In other words she could well be speaking of document she knows to be suspect, and just reporting ONE THING of what it claims. Hawaiian birth. Why didn't she say Honolulu? Why didn't she say the date? Or confirm any of the specific information that was already made public by Obama on the digital image of a COLB his campaign released to two friendly websites last year?

Instead she makes a finding of fact she has no more authority than any other citizen to make -- for the meaning of "natural born citizen" as a Presidential requirement for office has never been determined by a court, and only raely touched on.

Very strange!

And also follows in a pattern of making overly brief statements bound to mislead, when a longer statement would clarify.

[freekitty]

Who are you referring knew about the divorce, Obama I or II. Obama I definately knew about it because his lawyer had to say he did. They also gave I address as being in Cambridge at the time of divorce. He also did not contest it and the papers said they were lawfully married on 2/2/61 and lived together as man and wife until the time of divorce proceedings which cited mental cruelty.

[bvw]

Also ... courage. Don’t give up!

[BuffaloJack]

Back in the earlly 70s, my daughter was born in Viet Nan. I am a citizen and my daughter’s mother was a naturalized citizen. When we tried to file her VN birth certificate with the State of New York, they accepted a copy and told us that all they could ever issue in the future was a certificate of birth data. The clerk said that we should go get a citizenship certificate from immigration. We did that also. The immigration people issued a certificate of citizenship with a serial number beginning with “AA”, my wife has a certificate of citizenship with a serial number beginning with a single “A”. The immigration officer told us that naturalized citizens get a “A” certificate and natural born citizens (both parents citizens) get a double A or “AA” certificate. That was 1972.
Does Barry have a certificate of citizenship? Does it have “A” or “AA” on it?

[Polarik]

This is bullsh*t

[nathanbedford]

I am aware of that argument which says that under the statue obtaining at the time of Obama's birth, one parent at least had to have been a resident of the United States for a period of time which was impossible for Obama's mother to fulfill in view of her age. I have not seen the statute but I've not seen it challenged anywhere either.

There is another possibility that we ought to be prepared for. Even if is conclusively shown that Obama was not born in Hawaii but abroad and therefore does not qualify under this statutory definition, a majority of Democrats in the House and Senate could easily pass a remedial statute with effect ex post facto to legitimatize Obama as a natural born citizen. I see no reason why that could not be done and I can see no reason why it would not be constitutional.

The political implications of such a play would be another matter entirely.

[freekitty]

Very interesting.

[RummyChick]

Hmmmmmmmmmm...didn’t dawn on me. But she did say born in Hawaii. I don’t think she could have used those words if it was birth by statute.

Not that I think she is wholly on the up and up anyway.

Another interesting twist.

She obviously got the okay from Obama to do this..so it could be she was instructed to use the words BORN in Hawaii when it was really a function of a statute.

[thecodont]

THAt may be why the change in wording ... vital records would include any BC from another country for a child made an HAwaiian citizen by issued BC on sworn statement by the mother.

Interesting point. It's good to pay close attention to changes in wording of a statement.

[RummyChick]

I challenge the people who say he could not be a citzen because of the residency requirement.

If there was no customary marriage and he was born in Kenya he is a US citizen because he was born out of wedlock. One year residency requirement.

[Polarik]

Fukino does not understand the meaning of natural-born citizen due to him having a british citizen father.

I think I found the source in the DOH who stamped the Obama/Factcheck COLB fabrication: Chiyome Fukino.

Note if you will that she DID NOT SAY that her Department issued a 2007 COLB, date-stamped June 6, 2008 to Obama. How could she when Onaka said otherwise?

[DavidFarrar]

Although Wikipdedia is little better than hearsay, it does post an important qualifier before it discusses the term “natural born” citizen and the 14th Amendment, to wit:”...Although only dealing with the concept of citizenship and not necessarily natural born citizenship”...
As we have stated, the 14th Amenmdment doesn’t support your rather ludacris claim that even children born in the U.S. of illegal aliens are “natural born” citizens in the Constitutional sense.

ex animo
davidfarrar

[MHGinTN]

One more legal question: does Barry releasing this woman to make specific statements regarding what is in his files now make it open to FOIA requests that must be honored, like the egg has been broken as they say in law school?

[RummyChick]

Obama Sr marriage to Ann. No proof of the marriage in the US. Marriage not valid anyway.

there was a divorce with a claim of a marriage in Hawaii. It means nothing to me because these people are liars. the fact that they claim there was a lawful marriage is a lie. It could not have been lawful.

I need to see the marriage license to believe there was a statutory marriage in Hawaii.

I haven’t reviewed the divorce papers in months. Are they signed by Obama? did he have an attorney? If there is an attorney for him then he knew about it.