Why Romney Cannot Win

C4P ^ | July 25, 2009 | Joshua Livestro

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By Joshua Livestro

You all probably remember my good friend Michael van der Galien. He's the guy who wrote an 'ironic' post about the star qualities of Gov. Palin which led to a little back and forth between C4P and his site, Poligazette.

In all seriousness, Michael actually is a good friend of mine. He may be wrong about one big thing (i.e. his blind, uncritical support for the Mittrosexual Man), but he is right about a lot of other things. If I'd have to pick a man to stand next to me in the trenches to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness against the socialist hordes of Obama & Co, Michael would probably be that man. But even the best of friends can have the odd argument, and well, he's asking for one with his latest post.

Unable - or is it unwilling? - to see the WaPo poll for what it is, namely a politically motivated push poll cut out of whole cloth for the purpose of 'phraming' Palin's farewell speech as Governor this coming Sunday as being merely another step on the inevitable road to oblivion, Michael decides to act as if the poll contains actually relevant pieces of data. I mean come on Michael, you're a serious citizen journalist. A poll that oversamples Democrats vs. Republicans by a good four or five percent (33D 22R), and that doesn't even use registered voters, let alone the infinitely more reliable category of likely voters, is not a serious poll and doesn't deserve to be treated like one. You know this as well as I do (as does your friend AP, whose anti-Palin hackery is getting beyond the stage of deeply tiresome), and still you decide to write about this poll as if it is divinely inspired. What possible motive could you have for this, apart from trying to promote the cause of your candidate by trying to damage that of one of his main contenders?

Well, two can play that game, Michael. In fact, I'll have a lot more to work with than you do. I'm not referring to the many serious objections to Romney's candidacy (his disastrous healthcare reform project in Massachusetts, his anti-Reagan statements in the early nineties, his flipflopping on a key issue like abortion) or the non-serious ones, like the fact that he's boring (as in: 50 people, Michael. 50. And half of them were probably on Romney's payroll. Then again, boring men sometimes do end up winning their party's nomination. They always lose in the end, but that's another matter), or the fact that he's a Mormon (who cares - apart from Mike Huckabee, that is?).

No, I'll limit myself to the most serious, and potentially most deadly, objection to Romney, which is that his own party's voters simply don't dig the man. Just look at the data from this poll by Democratic pollsters PPP (before you ask: it's a registered voters survey, with party ID 42D, 35R, 23I - a reliable survey basically, unlike the one you used for your post). The figures make pretty devastating reading for Romney-fans. Among all Republican voters, Romney is 12 points behind Huckabee, 22 points behind Palin. Among conservative Republicans (75 percent of the electorate in the GOP primaries), the gap with Palin is even wider: 23 percent (81-58). Oh and before you get your hopes up about Romney somehow making up this astronomical difference through his support among moderate Republican voters: forget it. Even among what should be his core constituency, Romney trails Huckabee by 8 percent and Palin by a whopping 19 percent.

Face it Michael: Romney's toast. He's a flipflopper, a fake, a phony, a guy who can't even decide which state he's supposed to be from (is it Michigan? Utah? Massachusetts? You tell me). People smell his fakery a hundred miles away, and they avoid it like the plague. That's the reason only 50 people showed up at that campaign event in New Jersey, that's why he finished third in the weakest presidential field the GOP had produced in the past hundred years or so. And that's why he's trailing the other main contenders for the 2012 nomination by at least ten percent - even among his supposed core constituency of moderates.

Three years is plenty of time to take away any lingering doubts voters may have about Palin's fitness for the presidency. But all the time in the world won't be enought to convince conservative Republican voters that Romney is really one of them. Because deep down inside, he simply isn't.

Now Michael, if you want more of this, all I can say is: bring it on. But I suggest you use the rest of this weekend to ponder the deeper meaning of Reagan's 11th Commandment. There is a war on for the soul of the American project, with an ultraliberal in the White House who is determined to change his country into a European-style social democracy, but for some reason moderate Republicans like yourself are more interested in fighting Gov. Palin. It reminds me of that old Churchill anecdote when a young backbench MP approached the great old man, pointed at the Labour benches and asked him what he thought of 'the enemy'. "The enemy?", he answered. "My boy, that is the opposition. The enemy is seated behind me."

[snippy_about_it]

You’re correct. The MSM will push Romney hard to get nominated just like they did McCain because they know he too will lose.

Sarah or a similar outspoken, strong conservative needs to be the nominee or a third party candidate.

[MamaB]

So let them monitor this site. We know they do. I will never ever vote for the best of two evils again and you can take that to the bank. I will NOT hold my nose and vote for someone I really do not think is the right person for the job. McCain was the last straw. I said I would write in a fictional character before voting for McCain but then he added Sarah and I voted for her.

[spacejunkie01]

During the primary I was a diehard Romney supporter. I did NOT like McCain or Huckabee and Thompson, Tancredo and Hunter could NOT garner any traction. When McLame won the primary, I really wanted Romney as the VP. I was feeling quite helpless with our choices and what we were faced with on the other side.

Then, McLame picked Palin and....voila!!! I dropped Romney like a hot potato and never looked back. And I PRAY Palin runs for POTUS in ‘12 as she is a true, solid conservative. Something we have not seen in a long time that also gets the crowds and attention.

I really don’t believe I need to defend her here, or anywhere for that matter, as I see all concerns for her completely dissapating as soon as she hits the road in the next few weeks. When she gets out there and starts defending the Constitution,the American people and the capitalism, I believe we will all see her as a true leader of the CONSERATIVE movement.

[Allegra]

Unless the Republicans can come up with a better candidate, I would stop the Romney bashing.

I'll Romney-bash 'til the cows come home, my FRiend.

As I do freely with any other liberal.

[MamaB]

You are correct. I will not vote for him for any job whatsoever. I am fed up with the GOP and have let them know that.

[chippewaman]

I don’t mean to offend any Romney supporters on here but if he gets the 2012 nomination he will just be another younger version of Johnny Mac. His weakness in the South, as evident in the ‘08 primaries, is profound. Three years is a long time away but I just don’t see Romney winning any more electoral votes than Mac, unless The One would have a complete collapse, which it seems could soon be reality. I don’t think he can, or will, win. The GOP must nominate a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, no RINOs, a TRUE CONSTITUTIONALIST. These “open” Republican primaries where independents can vote must STOP. Republican primaries should be open to only registered Republican voters. The GOP must stop people from other parties nominating our candidates for president, then we might have a fighting chance.

[ThePanFromJapan]

They’re only going to use it after Romney wins.

Palin can win, if things go the way they do when history repeats itself.

What we are looking at here is, truly, Carter vs. Reagan all over again. And Romney is not the 2009 (2012) version of Reagan.

Also, why are we afraid of the Daily Kos. We should be jumping down their throats repeatedly over there. And we can do it, too. We need to get down and dirty and kick them in the nuts or ovaries. REPEATEDLY.

[chippewaman]

“Also, why are we afraid of the Daily Kos. We should be jumping down their throats repeatedly over there. And we can do it, too. We need to get down and dirty and kick them in the nuts or ovaries. REPEATEDLY.”

Amen, brother!

[mkjessup]

We are out to drive Mitt Romney from the ranks of possible republican candidates, it is the right thing to do.
FreeRepublic is probably the top, most effective anti-Romney source in the land, isn't that cool?

VERY cool.

It was Jim Robinson and a band of true conservative Freepers that smoked out the infestation of despicable RINO-RudyBots in the now famous "FR Bug Zapper Thread" and I daresay that was instrumental in beginning the erosion of Rudy's initial support in the GOP, once people began to understand that he was a LIBERAL, they saw that he was unsuited to represent what was once the Party of Reagan.

I am proud to have participated in that thread and make no apologies for it. FR was cleansed of the Rudy-stench, just as it will be cleansed of the RomneyScum (c) that are trying to foist a Massachusetts liberal loser upon us.

It is still far too early to say who will make the best GOP candidate for 2012, at the present time Sarah Palin certainly appears to have the momentum in her favor. But we damn sure can say who will NOT be a suitable candidate and who will NOT make the cut, and that is the son of brainwashed George Romney (Class of '68) Willard, who is a lying two faced liberal faux conservative if there ever was one.

A pox upon whatever is left of the GOP, should they nominate that poseur.

[wolfpat]

Romney is not my first, second, or third choice, but he could win.

I disagree. If he is the nominee, the conservative base will, once again, vote with their butts (as in, not getting off them to go vote)

I contend that it was trying to get a candidate that "could win" that gave us McCain, and subsequently, Obama.

[goat granny]

If the republ. are stupid enough to run Romney, I just won't vote for the president...Had enough of the one’s with an *R* after their name screwing me...EPA Nixon *R*....ADA Bush 1 *R*.....Homeland sec. run by the unions *R*...CFR *R*....No border control *R*......Education bill written by that old sot Kennedy *R*. If the person is not bonafied conservative.....No vote from me. Romney, Hucklebuckle, et.al...stink. McCain would have ruined the Republican party even worse if he got elected..Thats why the press for hooray for him.

No one guarantees Obama a second term except a liberal republican...By the 2012 election, only 90% of the blacks and communists will vote for him..Lets get a good conservative in..

[Richard Kimball]

I don't have the deep seated dislike of Romney that some here do, but I think he's a loser for a national candidacy.

Although we're going over a cliff with 0bama, I'm still grateful that John McCain isn't in the WH. Can you imagine the coverage Meghan McCain would get if she was the first daughter? Can you imagine how insulting McCain would be to conservatives if he were in the WH? He could barely stand us when he was asking for our votes.

Romney is much more of a chameleon. Whenever I heard him speak, I got the feeling there wasn't any core belief; simply a recitation of what he thinks will get votes.

Limbaugh has warned Republicans time and time again that the media is not their friend. The media advises Republicans not to go negative. They adored John McCain (until he was nominated.) Now, they're advising us to shout down the people asking about Zero's birth certificate, jettison Sarah Palin, and adopt Meghan McCain as a spokesperson for the social values of the party. Anybody who takes the Drive By media's advice probably spent their childhood years drinking urine out of a beer bottle because their "friends" told them it was a new brand.

[rabscuttle385]

Well, who else do you have that can win? Palin? C’mon. That guarantees Obama for a second term. Unless the Republicans can come up with a better candidate...

Romneybot @ 13.

[ansel12]

Romney is not my first, second, or third choice, but he could win.

There has never been anything to show that, instead his 16 year political record shows that he isn't a winning or popular or likable politician.

His one win was in the 2002 governor race when he became the fourth in a row republican governor for Massachusetts, unfortantly he left with failed polling numbers and turned the state over to democrats.

The 2008 primary should have been a win for Romney based on all the factors aside from him, he had all the money, the organization, everything, but he is a weak, unlikable candidate and he can't overcome that, even now his polling is flat against a woman that hasn't had a positive word said about her in the media since the first day of her national appearance less than 11 months ago.

[greyfoxx39]

freerepublic is probably the top, most effective anti-Romney source in the land, isn't that cool?

I think so too, Ansel.

Romney's Folly - Health-Care Mandates Are a Middle-Class Tax

[Star Traveler]

I like to post this as much as possible for any Romney-bots who happen to be reading... LOL...

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Unlike Romney’s “National Council for a New America,” Free Republic is a conservative site!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2243314/posts
by Jim Robinson

If there is anyone here who doesn’t understand why we cannot support a slick socialist politician like Mitt Romney, God help you, but you’re on the wrong website. We went through this with the abortionist, gay rights activist, illegal alien supporting, gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani until someone created another website call WAnkers for Rudy and they all flew the coop. Hopefully, before too much FReeper blood is shed, someone will create a WAnkers for Romney site and we can be left to fight the good fight as we see fit!

FR is not for everyone!

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Any other questions, Romney-bots?... :-)

[Seruzawa]

I’m NOT a Romney supporter.

However, one may recall that all the smart guys said that Obama couldn’t win either. Oh yeah, and wasn’t Nixon toast after the Checkers speech also?

I wish I had a nickel for every FOS “expert prediction”.

[Star Traveler]

And more for those idiot Romney-bots... LOL...

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Mitt Romney is a flip-flopping socialist bum!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2294955/posts
vanity | July 17, 2009 | Jim Robinson
Posted on July 17, 2009 1:37:43 PM CDT by Jim Robinson

Don’t trust him. He’s a RINO. Worse than a RINO. He’s the enemy within.

You never know where he honestly stands on any issue. What he promises today, he flips on tomorrow. It all depends on which way the political winds are blowing and which office he’s running for. He’s a liar.

He’s a big government socialist. His RomneyCare state run health care system is a big government boondoggle. It’s tyranny. Government provided, er, forced health care is tyranny not freedom or free markets. Do not believe the socialist propaganda supporting such nonsense.

Socialized medicine is simply another step to socialized government. Government solutions at the point of a gun are the opposite of what we need. This is socialism! Fascism! Mitt Romney is proud of his big government socialist creation and thinks it would be great for all of America. He wants to force you to accept what the state says is right for you. Your taxes will go up as government costs soar and the quality of the care you receive declines. High costs, long waits, rationing, poor or no service, big government force in other areas is where it leads.

“Hello, we’re from the government and we’re here to help you.” Believe that and you are a sucker!

Say NO to socialism! NO to RINOism! NO to Mitt Romney!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

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Warning to Romney-bots...

[Manic_Episode]

"Well, who else do you have that can win? Palin? C’mon. That guarantees Obama for a second term. Unless the Republicans can come up with a better candidate, I would stop the Romney bashing. Why? Because the Democrats will use it. Remember, Daily Kos and other leftist groups monitor this site.'

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[devere]

“I disagree. If he is the nominee, the conservative base will, once again, vote with their butts”

99.9% will vote against Obama.